"everything is taken at face value as you discover it, not putting the music in perspective of historic or contextual understanding"

you think young people who check out sabbath generally don't know how groundbreaking they were? if it sounds boring to one then it sounds boring, no matter how much the listener would've studied the history behind it

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Not saying that at all, what I am saying is everybody needs to have some sort of perspective when listening to music, and that is not age discriminate, having perspective of time and consequence helps better understand and like it, and if you still do not like it that is your own business, but you can at least describe why you don't

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@ Jamie

I'm sorry, you were right. Yeah, what I want to mean is prog metal. I know that those bands mentioned by me started in the 80's, especially Fates Warning and Queensryche and that even one of the best conceptual prog metal albums, "Operation: Mindcrime" was released in 1988 and that one of the best albums of Fates Warning, "Perfect Symmetry", was released in 1989. When I mentioned the 90's, what I really want to say is that only in the 90's we began to call them prog metal bands.

Apart that, I can recognize that many bands in the 70's are in generally recognized as bands very close to the metal music, such as, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, for instance. However, they aren't, in my humble opinion, pure metal bands.

This is what I really think. However, I'm far of be a specialist about heavy metal. I'm more in the prog area.

Cheers.

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no dude ur right there was no metal in the 80s trve metal began later with bands like slipknot

Ok man and thanks.

"heavy metal in terms of 70s and 80s stuff isn't really metal"

never 4get [2]

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Prog metal is one of the worst metal sub-genres.

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"heavy metal in terms of 70s and 80s stuff isn't really metal"



holy shit

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"heavy metal in terms of 70s and 80s stuff isn't really metal"





huh

its pretty true tho

at least 70s for sure

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Deep Purple in Rock and Master of Reality are among the most m/ albums ever though, so

ok no but good try

only thing m/about the 80's was the inception of grind

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I mean Judas Priest has like 4 70s albums and at least the 1 of those I've heard was pretty blatantly full on heavy metal.

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People think you're more metal the "heavier" you are





The truth for me is that In Rock and MoR feel way heavier than many extreme metal records

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It's not, cuz Sabbath and Priest are def metal. Pretty much everything else is hard rock i can agree.



Saying that for the 80's is embarrassing tho

priest is boring and yr just wrong in saying that

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The psychedelic/hard rock vibe in many Black Sabbath tunes may make people uestion whether they are truly heavy metal, but all heavy metal is based on the blueprint set by their early releases. Master Of Reality and Paranoid weren't just the embodiment of all things metal, but they are the albums that people look up to when they think of Sabbath's most metallic moments. Judas Priest's earlier records branched off early 70's hard rock as well, but Stained Class is pure heavy metal, and "Dissident Aggressor" was considered the heaviest song of all time up to that point. So of course they are metal, they are old man metal, they are truly metal, metal as good as it gets for it is timeless.