I was once a traditional left winger believe it or not but the progressive left killed it for me with the hijacking of freedoms to encompass everything and anything and making everything a political tool.
The upsurge of globalism and mass immigration since the late 90s has had an impact on what I think, value and believe but I honestly don’t know where I am politically I don’t align myself to specifics.

Did you vote in the referendum, Zak?

Leave.

Believe it or not I said on day one that it would never be allowed to happen (I made mention of it on this site) and I'm still a firm believer that it'll be scuppered or done in name only and as such is the biggest two fingers two democracy since fuck knows and is an absolute disgrace.

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"I was once a traditional left winger believe it or not but the progressive left killed it for me with the hijacking of freedoms to encompass everything and anything and making everything a political tool."



anyone who says this was never left-wing

Tbh the vote to leave was a huge two fingers to democracy, given all the lies and Facebook advertising/scaremongering that skewed it to fuck.

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Everyone starts out left wing...until they live under a hard left regime and aren’t on the gravy train

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which 'hard-left regimes' have existed in the west then in the last twenty years

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I still vote liberal or the mad lefty greens because I think the greens need a bigger say



But vote for this Labour Party? Not in a million years.



My friend has a doctorate in European politics, was a Labour voter and has socialist leanings - even he said Corbyn and his crew are the worst thing that’s ever happened to the party.



Maybe he should reactivate his Facebook account to get non stop Labour propaganda and he’d change his mind

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Well the example we were using was in the last 50 years but was the biggest political disaster in this country for the last 80 years lol

Which regime are we talking here?

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I know that may as well be the Cretaceous period for young voters

the right dont know how to answer questions

just stalling and lying and making shit up

Thatcher was a saint, is that what you're implying?

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Thatcher was the result of the Unions running the country yes



A more moderate alternative would be desirable

Ah, gotcha, so Corbyn is ideal then. He is indeed rather moderate in this comparison and slots nicely between hard-left and Thatcher.

'Tbh the vote to leave was a huge two fingers to democracy, given all the lies and Facebook advertising/scaremongering that skewed it to fuck.'

This is complete bollocks and the exact opposite is true.
Nobody had a clue it really was as simple and as scary as.
1. We leave the EU
2. We stay in the EU.

People knew what they were voting for but because the result wasn't the 'right one' we've had three and a half years of in fighting, back stabbing, fillibustering and the process being stalled by the House of Parliament.

The vote was put to the people who voted and so far it has been rejected.
You can dress it up anyway you like but the simple matter is what the people vote for doesn't matter.

That's all there is to it. Democracy in the UK has been sullied.

Can't argue that UK democracy (and worldwide democracy for that matter) isn't in a sullied state, but this isn't exactly hot off the press.

Oh also, are you implying there were no lies told by the leave advocates?

And where on the anti-immigration scale would you put yourself?

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I dunno - the rich fund this country (don’t believe me check the tax) and there would be a mass exodus of business and high tax payers the moment Corbyn comes in. Along with leaving the EU (for Corbyn personally an absolute dream, he is 100% personally anti the EU, though his party may block it/leave us in limbo) which could yet significantly harm business it could be a perfect storm of shit.



Then he’d nationalise an awful lot and tax an awful lot...but there would be less wealth in the country so stuff will be underfunded, salaries wouldn’t be able to keep up and there will most likely be industrial action etc

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Things like proposing to nationalise pharmaceuticals is retarded, that’s not how the industry works and will stifle the sector and patient options - plus patented meds he won’t be able to include so ugh, it’s not gonna work and would take a decade to get close to getting up and running to any satisfactory standard...so it would likely be scrapped. It’s throwing money into a pit.