"But I'm not going to slobber all over their collective dicks just because they finally released a new album. I'm gonna step back and analyze it in the context of its release, and understand that it's just "okay.""

All stated in objective terms...Thank you for bestowing your wisdom, oh wise one. I look at your posts in the context of the coversation, and understand that they're just "okay."

fanboy again

here's the silly part, you've desingnated anyone who thinks differently than you as a fanboy, and thus the arguments are per se wrong or biased. So, you always win. Note, further, I've never said I that I think its a totally awesome album, just that I think some of the criticisms leveled are wrongheaded. Maybe I use colorful language, so sorry, it's just my low upbringing I suppose. No indiganation, sir, I promise. My life will be the same tomorrow whether you like 10,000 days or not...just passing the time. In any case, what am I to make of someone who calls me a liar for telling him what an expression actually means. Did you think that the leak was a fake (ha ha)

"To be fair, Wikipedia did, at one point, say this about '**** the bed', too. But, on another point - isn't it awfully short-sighted to include a saying like that? It may have a certain meaning in middle America, but Tool have fans all across the world, and to them, it's literal."

Well, the truth is that it isn't about you, tool dosen't care. The words have a particular meaning to someone from where they are from and it fits the song perfectly. It's not a novelty song, he's making a point about how people take his lyrics a little too seriously, but doing it in a smart assed way. Your complaint is basically "I don't get it." Well, fine, but that's more about you than the song.

Album Rating: 4.0

Double-posting is bad. You're still a fanboy, and I've never listened to the leak.

One more point about shit the bed:

It's a goofy expression when used. People don't actually say "shit the bed" when they're ACTUALLY angry, and its not used very often. There's a strong degree of sarcasm and jokiness to it when people use it. Hence the usage in the song.

Well, you're still a self-absorbed jack off (who, if the avatar is any indication, is ready to suck me off at a moment's notice), who loses arguments and then resorts to name calling. But, trading insults dosen't really get us anywhere, does it?.

Leak: You've missed the point again, my friend. You see, a lot of people heard the leak and declared, "This must be a fake!! THIS IS NOT TOOL!" And talked shit to anyone who said otherwise. Turns out, these people didn't have a clue what they were talking about, and the people whom they threw names at actually had the better of the argument. See also, me telling you what "shit the bed" means, you keeping your head up your ass.

Album Rating: 4.0

Your personal attacks and continued hostility only further prove my point that you're a fanboy. You can't just learn to let it go without insulting everything about me (seriously, what does my avatar have to do with this?).This Message Edited On 05.09.06

In what way? Personal attacks and hostility are characteristics of a tool "fanboy"?

Fanboy = bad
hr123 = me no likey
hr123 = fanboy

brilliant logic, son. a career in mental disciplines surely awaits you.

In all seriousness, I made some points on which I disagree with the album review. Then you start with all this fanboy sh it. If you've got no better response than that, if you can't deal with someone who thinks you're wrong, then keep your opinion to yourself. I would not have made it personal (maybe sarcastic, but not personal), had you not come in with the fanboy garbage. Finally, if you don't have a response, then don't respond.

Album Rating: 4.0

I posted my response but all you said in reply was "Congratulations." That's how I feel about the album and evidently you had no problem with it. But then you continued picking apart everyone else's posts and repeated all that stuff about shitting the bed ad nauseam, because it was the one thing you were definitely right about. That smacks of fanboyism to me.



But being a fanboy doesn't have to be an insult. Perhaps you view your efforts as somehow noble or valiant, so there is no real need to go crazy every time someone suggests that maybe, just maybe, Tool's new album isn't as good as they should have been able to make it.

"But I'm not going to slobber all over their collective dicks just because they finally released a new album. I'm gonna step back and analyze it in the context of its release, and understand that it's just "okay.""

You made a DECLARATION. Never once have I seen in your posts and "I think" or "In my opnion" of which you will find several in my original post. I never heard an admission that you were wrong about the shit the bed thing until now. Look, I understand that things sound different over the internet - the harshness is me amusing myself. As I've also said over and over I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU LIKE TOOL'S NEW ALBUM. I'm arguing against your declarations that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "fanboy," and your lack of substantive responses. Fanboy isn't an insult? You certainly use it as such. Give it up, my friend, you've lost this one. You don't think the album is what it could have been. Fine. I disagree. Fine. But your arguments were poorly reasoned. That was my point

Seriously, why do you bother sharing your opinions if you're not prepared to defend them with anything more than "you're a fanboy"?

Album Rating: 5.0

new tool cd=jesus.



I love all of it. Since i bought it last week i cant stop listening to it.

Album Rating: 4.0

Seriously, why do you bother sharing your opinions if you're not prepared to defend them with anything more than "you're a fanboy"?

[QUOTE=Iai]@ Werny: They're not filler tracks because of any of the reasons you've listed. They're filler tracks because they're crap and pointless. They don't set a mood, they just destroy the one already present.



You're speaking to someone who thinks "Fitter Happier" is one of the best songs on OK Computer, for christ's sake.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I interpreted what you said in the wrong way. I still think it's disrespectful to call them filler tracks.

Note: I am not a fanboy, I haven't listened to this much at all.

I love Fitter Happier too, ha. I also think Aenima wouldn't feel half as epic and spacey without the experimental tracks.

Album Rating: 5.0

Somebody stop the train and let the little people get off.......... We all have different musical tastes, we are all interested in the band and the album, otherwise we would not be here. Unless of course you just get off and slagging off artists that are more talented than certain individuals making unjust statements. Do yourselves a favour (note correct English spelling ;-) ) and put the album on again and switch your PC's off.This Message Edited On 05.10.06This Message Edited On 05.10.06

Album Rating: 4.5

Ok guys give a break please, I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading that last page...



I originally posted on a previous review that it was the best review, this is the best one so far. Very honest and true for the most part. Hats off to you Iai a very well written review.

I found that the best way to get inisde this album was to stick it on repeat while I played Knights Of The Old Republic until 5 am the other night. Apart from being excellent Sith-killing music, sitting in a darkened (except for the TV) room and letting the music just wash over you was definitely the way to go.
It's definitely a good album, although it is very reminiscent of Lateralus. I think people are criticising it too much because they're dissapointed that Tool haven't redefined their sound again...ignoring the fact that there are some excellent songs on here, like The Pot and Vicarious, which has some of Maynard's best writing ever, IMO.
So in the end, don't hate, and have an open mind. Tool has made an excellent album here, and it deserves to be appreciated at length and in depth.

Album Rating: 5.0

Agree with pattern_recognition totally. There are some abolute classics on this album that I fully expect to still look back on with fondness and excitement in 20 years.



KC said it all......

The power to believe........

Happy with what you have to be happy with

you have to be happy with what you have

to be happy with what you have,

happy with what you have to be happy with

you have to be happy with what you have

to be happy with what you have

you have to be happy with what you have to be happy with

I believe it is a fair review indeed and I also understand where you're coming from. Still, I have to say that, as far as I am concerned, this being a Tool release can tend to become de facto a disadvantage at times and something that makes one's opinion on it less objective... Which means to say that if another, new - comer band had released 10.000 days, you would probably write some triumphant review. Which in turn means to say that the great expectations (we all have) from Tool always cause a slight disappointment once the cd is out, at least after Aenima. You said it well yourself: They are just 4 people playing (great) music, using conventional musical instruments. But for which other band could anyone say that a song like Intension is just decent?