Album Rating: 3.0

Oceania is a really good album that's been underrated in the past year or so. It works because it has depth to it, and can be explored, which has always been the Pumpkins gift. Monuments is all surface, and even on that insta-gratification level, it isn't much fun.



I like Corgan as an artist, and agree that this is a creative slump. The problem is he does interviews where he tries to claim his creative lows are deliberate.

Album Rating: 3.0

Oceania is a very good record agreed

7 and 8 are so horribly underrated on that list its not even funny.

Album Rating: 2.5

Yeah, Oceania and Machina are hard 3.5's.

Album Rating: 3.0

i have Oceania as 3rd best Pumpkins

Album Rating: 2.5

Still not sold on Adore eh?

Album Rating: 3.0

it's around good

Album Rating: 3.0

Some of ADORE is mind-blowingly good (To Sheila, Shame, For Martha), but some of it is Annie-Dog.

Annie-Dog is amazing though

Album Rating: 3.0

i really liked annie-dog the first time i ever got into the album but then eventually i just didn't even know what i'd seen in it at all

that "era" of the band had some really solid material all-around though

Album Rating: 3.0

It's not that Annie-Dog is bad, but it feels like a demo, and I always have trouble paying attention to the whole thing.

Album Rating: 2.0

Annie-Dog is amazing though [2]

Album Rating: 2.5

Annie Dog is decent. There's quite a few better tracks on Adore imo.

Album Rating: 3.0

without a doubt

in any case, i posted this in the other thread but most mighta missed it



http://www.alternativenation.net/unreleased-billy-corgan-james-iha-smashing-pumpkins-collaboration-leaks/



i just love getting shit like this from that general "era" & whatnot, even if it was pilfered, lol.

Album Rating: 2.5

Wasn't there supposed to be a new SP album by now? Like part 3 of Teargarden for Billy Corgan's ego.

Album Rating: 3.0

yeah then they had a kid and now he's just like playing as SP with Jimmy Chamberlin which in all honesty is probably a better deal



i'm sure we'll get a new record by the end of the year tho

Album Rating: 2.5

Cool, hopefully it'll be more like Oceania and less like this.

Album Rating: 3.0

considering his earlier comments about it being more synth-based & foregoing a "real drummer" altogether, I don't think that's too likely



who knows what the actual thing will be like at this point tho, most of the sp fanbase is still waitin for that damn machine reissue

Album Rating: 3.0

Ok, I just listened to this album again and I'm bumping my rating from 2.5 to 3. It still disregards everything that people like about Smashing Pumpkins, and that made them unique, but there's some consistency of vision here.



Within the TEARGARDEN BY KALEIDYSCOPE concept (and I think I'm one of five people who has tried to track that), OCEANIA was about opening oneself up to love, while MTAE is all about the difficulty of maintaining relationships when you're depressed, have PTSD, or are otherwise fucked up. Every song. It's a deceptively "upbeat" album, but is still not a super-gripping listen.

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Tiberius rips