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Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

also agreed

Aeksis8745
February 19th 2009


450 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

well thanks for the advice guys, any comments about ToT?

Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

it's underrated

it's my second favourite dt album behind images and words

if you like the more metal parts on octavarium you'll love it

badtaste
February 19th 2009


824 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Nowai brosephs, I really consider TGP to be one of DT's best metal songs. Utterly headbangable.



and you guys don't see the Tool connection with "The Great Debate"? I don't have the record anymore, but if I recall correctly, a lot of the vocal phrasings were very Maynard-esque, and the riffs were very Aenima-like. Also, the drumming sounded a page out of Carey's book (I think).

Aeksis8745
February 19th 2009


450 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I've heard a few tracks off of Awake and I gotta say I didn't like what I heard all that much, that one i'll probably wait on. Is the first disc of 6DoIT really that weak? whys that?

Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

not weak just a little inconsistent

kygermo
February 19th 2009


1007 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Are you serious? The Great Debate sounds like it coulda been on Aenima! When the guitar parts kick in it sounds just like 46 & 2. Spin it again and youll see what I mean. Not to mention the beginning talking and build-up.

Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

home as well is another tool knock-off

actually a lot of their songs sound like tool at times

or muse

Aeksis8745
February 19th 2009


450 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

How many ballad type songs are on the first disc?

Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

um two and half?



misunderstood is like half a ballad, and disappear could be considered balledesque, but is really just proggy. and blind faith is basically a ballad









ballad

Aeksis8745
February 19th 2009


450 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

haha well thanx alot this should narrow it down for me, i'm still digesting this one so i'll know by the time I go music hunting again. Whats up with all the semi-low ratings for this one? I can't get enough of it.

Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

it's really quite long, and the slower songs are pretty bland

imo!

badtaste
February 19th 2009


824 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

It pales compared to I&W, Awake and SFAM. Too many rip off moments, like with "Never Enough" (Muse), "I Walk Beside You" (U2), the opening of the title track (Pink Floyd) (heck, the reviewer here even name-dropped Linkin Park). Sure, the band have always looked to incorporate their influences into their music, but it had still always been a Dream Theater brand. Here, i found them uninspiring.



Title track is a bunch of songs stuck together. Nothing on the tightness, uniformity and awesomeness of ACOS.



As they started with ToT, the band stopped pushing the envelope. They begun to focus on more mainstream, more metal-based songs. They stopped progressing, which was what I always loved about them.This Message Edited On 02.19.09

Jim
February 19th 2009


5110 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

yeah and all that

Willie
Moderator
February 19th 2009


20214 Comments

Album Rating: 3.3

a lot of the vocal phrasings were very Maynard-esque, and the riffs were very Aenima-like. Also, the drumming sounded a page out of Carey's book (I think).
Are you serious? The Great Debate sounds like it coulda been on Aenima! When the guitar parts kick in it sounds just like 46 & 2. Spin it again and youll see what I mean. Not to mention the beginning talking and build-up.
Why does the slow build up sound like Tool? Just because there is a bass line used as the main musical element, that doesn't mean it's a Tool rip-off. Also, a song that has a build up to the main section does not equal Tool either. Last, the guitar riff at the beginning doesn't sound like Tool either. I think you're giving Tool too much credit for inventing sounds/techniques they had nothing to do with.This Message Edited On 02.19.09

badtaste
February 19th 2009


824 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I said there was a Tool connection, not that DT ripped them off or that they 'equal' Tool.

Willie
Moderator
February 19th 2009


20214 Comments

Album Rating: 3.3

I don't hear a connection other than they, at times, both rely on similar musical techniques and styles (but that doesn't mean that they're biting them from each other).This Message Edited On 02.19.09

badtaste
February 19th 2009


824 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Given Dream Theater's penchant to musically namedrop other bands, it still wouldn't surprise me if they geared the song with a Tool (or unknown band that sounds like Tool) flavour.



edit: seeing that Portnoy mentions Tool's Aenima as having been used for inspiration in the album's writing on his website, I'd say that +1 to TGD being Tool-esque.This Message Edited On 02.19.09

Willie
Moderator
February 19th 2009


20214 Comments

Album Rating: 3.3

I can't argue with that. I just have a hard time hearing it or at least attributing it to Tool since it's not nearly as blatant as their Muse-worship on "Never Enough" or Metallica rip-off on "As I Am" or "Stream of Consciousness". Basically, when DT is going to emulate another band they usually go all out.



Edit: I can argue even less if that edit is true ;)This Message Edited On 02.19.09

Altmer
February 19th 2009


5711 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Dream Theater are cool because they rip off like 60 different bands then throw it into a melting pot and call it Dream Theater.



This album is too much worship for me though.



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