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Just gotten to know Josh pretty recently, cool guy

Well I mean like having conversations with you

...so dum this guy...

Nah, definitely not God awful.

I don't listen to them too much either, was big in high school though

I hate how the drumming on this album sucks in comparison to An Ocean Between Us, but the guitar-playing is quite awesome for the most part

Agreed. Drumming went from average to great back to average though. Screaming improved, singing declined. It's like everything is canceling itself out

I like Tim too and even the new cleans are alright, they definitely have their own sound compared to what you usually hear in metalcore.

Agreed again. His range got a lot better and he sounds more like a vocalist than some dude that screams in a metalcore band

But not used as much as they should be

Lol is that the only song you listen to on this album?

Ehh I think the rating on East's account is a bit generous (4). But I've had a soft spot for this band and didn't think this record was bad, just boring in parts and occasionally redundant

I got a soft spot too for these guys, got me into heavier music. My favourite song from these guys is definitely Wrath Upon Ourselves.

Jake Luhrs has some damn good range as well, but the pre-release song and trailers for their live DVD have me worried as to the quality of his voice live

Jake Luhrs is easily one of the best currently, I love that mutha

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the production for this is way to loud. Ocean between (the better album) was sharper and had awsome precision.

Album Rating: 3.0

I thought it (Ocean) sounded too "dry" or whatever you wanna call it. Got bored of the sound fast anyway