i think this thread is legitimately hilarious so i don't mind
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lol
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This thread is hilarious and informative!
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yeah it was stairway to heaven
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@ Oh no, postmodern nonsense you say? Quite a few cultures have sanctioned murder of various kinds directed at various groups. Even so, the fact that they might universally abhor something, even if for different reasons, doesn't imply objectivity exists. Neither do the concepts life and death, nor do the concepts harmony or disharmony.
The laws of nature, and the scientific method in general, require the interpretation of percieved reality, the formulation of reality through a subjectively construed system of codes (language). Therefore, all its concepts, its facts, are tied to subjective frames or reference. Even if they might be true to you or me, that doesn't make them objective, even if they offer the most accurate picture of reality as we perceive it, it doesn't detract from their subjectivity.
This will to power is equally a socially constructed concept, much like the entirety of philosophy, its existence may be perceived, but this perception is then still relative to the perception of the percieving and interpreting subject. The universe doesn't have frequencies or harmonies, they are created by human beings and interpreted through their own systems of perception, tied to their specific subjective frames of reference. There is no objectivity here, in the sense of some truth which can exist without subjects to define and formulate it.
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This thread went off the grid for a couple of pages.
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I'm sorry Nocte, but I live for these kinds of debates. I simply cannot resist. I adore them in a way.
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Guess what? I think Mozart is boring as fuck. Boom.
So much for your HE OBJECTIVELY TUNED INTO THE PLEASURE FREQUENCIES IN THE BRAIN OFVTHE UNIVERSE or whatever "muh objektive lulz" type of shit you wanna pull out of your ass.
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hey vastwilderness, quick question. How do you feel about hip hop generally?
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I mean, that is what confuses me most about this entire discussion. The way the brain shapes our interpretation of reality is about the most subjective thing I can think of.
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objective to us aint objective to the world sweetheart.
lmao imagine being this desperate to prove objectivity in music.
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Give a baby a coca cola and it spits it out. Give a baby Mozart and it will choose it over Schoenberg every time.
This is a weird line of point-making, but I totally get it. Basically the short is; tastes change... so why couldn't you write something along the lines of opinions change with life experiences?
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crazy album crazy thread
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@ Postmodernism only preoccupies itself with semantics in the Wittgensteinian sense perhaps, which is to say that we accept this claim that all philosophical problems are really semantic problems. Should you use a different term than objective? No, you should reject the concept for it is philosophically untenable. But I digress. Conscious human experience, the reactions it fosters towards certain phenomena is phenomenological by definition, it is tied to the specific subjective interpretations of the individual or a collective of individuals. Reacting in a functional manner isn't necessarily incompatible with this reaction being based on intersubjectively defined, culturally relative, historically contingent concepts, formulated through an ever changing system of codes.
Drilling down 'layers' and atomzing individuals, that is your text and I have no clue what sort of point it is meant to substantiate or justify. And you should recall my above comment: "Even so, the fact that they (different cultures) might universally abhor something, even if for different reasons, doesn't imply objectivity exists". It merely implies different cultures have constructed similar parameters for judging the moral validity of human behavouir. I don't see how this is in any way non-subjective, or transcendentally universal in the sense that it would justify some external objective standard. Universal cultural standards, if they exist in some form, are still relative to culture, to the historical mutations that produced those cultures and their standards. There is still an unavoidable relativism here, an unavoidable lack of objecitivity.
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Fact of the matter is "objective to us" is just a fancy way of saying subjective perception. Shit existing by how we percieve it isnt objective. It can objectively exists but humans are still condemned by subjective perception. The way we percieve things = subjective.
Music aint ever been objective.
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but that most of it relies too much on synthesized sounds and workstations, instead of musical instruments, and that the lyrical content is pretty narrow.
Examples please. You've just kind of back tracked on all that subjective/objective talk you guys have been babbling on about the last few pages (whether you meant to or not). With all your back and forth discussions on the last few pages, how do you define "narrow lyrical content"? How do you determine much is a decent reliance on "synthesised sounds"? These are (as you guys say: subject right?)
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@Vastwd. The constant postulation of a natural world confuses me. As society grows and expands the natural world, being a world unaffected by human intervention, slowly withers away. Even so, how we might percieve any world detached from human affairs, is still contingent upon concepts produced by human society, tied to culture and the comparatively short amount of time human beings have existed in any relevant form; aka it's historically contingent, not static or trascendental, but a transient property. Similar reactions might be measured, but our environment changes, its effects on us change and this could very well lead to different perceptions of harmony and disharmony. What we percieve as harmony in western music is socially constructed and enforced through constant repetition. Our diatonic systems, our emphasis on certain tonal frequencies our perception of notes being played a semitone apart sounding dissonant are ultimately manufactured, not natural. We are conditioned by social factors and systems to react in a certain way, be it the nature itself or the harmony humans produce through music.
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I think you're missing the crux of my point; also alcohol was historically used as a medicine before people found out you could get nasty at a bar with it. And I know I'm taking this curve-ball off topic - but anything we add to our bodies that doesn't already reside there (water mostly) is considered a poison to which our body has to interact with - either by absorption, filtering, storing (combination of multiples) et al.
Bringing it back to the topic at hand: If you don't have any working examples for the queries I have above - short of shifting a topic from another user - I don't know how much you guys need to continue this rather circular repetitive topic.
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"it's not stuck in the past thirty years ago like metal continues to be."
This is wrong. I hope you are ok with the incoming threats to your life for saying that
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Extreme metal vocals were invented in the late 80s and they're still used in an identical fashion. If rap has created new vocal styles, then it's not stuck in the past thirty years ago like metal continues to be.
Firm Disagree. This is pretty narrow-minded to be honest. Metal vocals themselves (and I'll use a couple of examples to show you what I mean) have evolved a lot over the course of the last three/four decades. From the likes of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest who headlined the Brit-HM scene used largely soaring clean vocals with shouts, falsetto etc. which are undeniably considered extreme at the time. This created a huge expansion in metal, both instrumentally, but more importantly lyrically as the areas underground started receiving traction other than the pub/club scene music of the time was played in.
Where as Black Sabbath - which took on a different instrumental facet had a clearly different vocal style in Ozzy to their British "genre-mates" (loose term).
Going to continue on a new comment before I hit the character limit.
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