omg !!trivium rocks!! you guys suck!! This is the greatest band ever!! you guys just dont have a decent taste for true thrash metal!! you should all be ashamed of yourselves!!

Just kidding!(so calm down)... If baby jesus was a metal fan this album would make baby jesus cry. Ahh its sad to see this much potential wasted, i didnt mind parts of ascendancy at all... entrance to the conflagration is catchy but it reminds me so much of master of puppets. and I find the lyrics to 'The Rising' comical. Almost sound like something john lennon would write.

Metalcore is a subgenre of metal. They are all under the same catagory.

im sorry but i gotta disagree the crusade is a masterpeiece ok it sounds like metallica but there a fuckin awesome band and maybe they can stop emo if they change old school this is more of what we need more bands to stop the screaming and follow in the footsteps of the people who created them more old skool!! and hey this is betta than asecnedsy a lot betta beacause hes stopped screaming sorry the new trivium fuckin rules and maybe im the only person in the world who thinks so but hey thank you keep it brutal

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Well to me, it is either /or. After all, the style of music and name is derived from both.

maybe they can stop emo if they change old school

Come Clarity is not, I repeat is not metalcore by any means.

Except for that one song that sucked.

Is the person who wrote this review(ShadowsFallen)even a guitar player,let alone musician?

Some of the scales and time signatures used on this album are leaps and bounds beyond anything metallica ever did and this album is way too proggy to even be lumped into that catagory.

Starters,the reviewer said that Detonation sounded so much like metallica,when in fact,aside from heafy's "hetfield esque" vocals this song reaks of pantera and slayer and the composition itself is purely triviums own style.

now they are trying to put out an album that is composed of all their influences

and all everyone wants to do is shoot them down.

How were Shadows Fall or In Flame's last two albums(WAR WITHIN,FALLOUT FTW,SOUNDTRACK TYE,CC)they were really bad,especially the last 2 in flames albums since they decided to turn into a industrial prog band.

This goes to show how much bias these reviewers have when writing these things.

Trivium is going to be the biggest current Metal act in the world soon,them and Lamb of God are going to carry the torch for Metal for the next decade or so,

so you need to just shut up and deal with it.

And as a metal guitar player,if you dont enjoy the songs on this album then you need to check yourself for a pulse because this is really good material and is in no way a "rip off" or sped up riffs.

Arguing with these people is really no use, guys.

I also looked at some of the other bands you listen to and after seeing that you listen to such horse**** as Dimmu Borgir and Akercocke ive realised that you're most likely just another weird,fat,death metal kid who hates anything thats catchy or is getting big.

Album Rating: 1.5

Starters,the reviewer said that Detonation sounded so much like metallica,when in fact,aside from heafy's "hetfield esque" vocals this song reaks of pantera and slayer and the composition itself is purely triviums own style

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That's too bad. I had hoped I wouldn't need to purge any comments from this one. But with the way that guy was talking, any more of that and I'll have to break out the banhammer.



Insulting people's taste is an incredibly immature way to let people know you disagree. I've got half a mind to ban him right now, but as a mod I'm just too forgiving.



And for the record, I'm a guitarist, and I've been playing jazz guitar for a fair bit of time. I won't even waste my time trying to argue with the 73628490503rd person who tries to tell me how Trivium is so much better than Shadows Fall. You may play "metal guitar", but if you could dissect their music in the same way improvisationsts construct theirs, you'd see just how derivative and uninspired Trivium's music is.



Any more outbreaks like that and you'll be banned. And of course thoroughly owned by Alex.This Message Edited On 10.12.06

Album Rating: 1.5

Do what you gotta do SF, but keep this mind: 30 out of 30, and no fanboy negs :thumb:

Although you may never know, he could have deleted them.

Man, I'm no Shadows Fall fanboy, but anybody with some kind of musical knowledge can see that Shadows Fall (used to, at least) write way better than Trivium. Whilst Trivium tends to stay in the minor patterns of their respective key, Shadows Fall "steps outside the circle" (teehee) a bit. They use a lot of nonscalar stuff here and there.

Album Rating: 3.0

wow that guy really blew up over this review. I really didn't hear any reference of pantera in that song.

Album Rating: 3.0

Steerpike,how do you have me beat?Singer,Songwriter,vocalist?



I play guitar,have been for 12 years now

I write my own lyrics and compose my own songs



You hardly have me beat,and I highly doubt that your songwriting abilities are greater than Matt Heafys otherwise you wouldnt be on this forum and would most likely be on tour right now.



Also,I like how supposed musicians tact on that "Im a jazz guitar player"tag as if that is supposed to give them some kind of golden credibility amongst musicians.Its great that you do play jazz though,which should mean you know your way around the fretboard.



And yes,I listen to Rush on a daily basis so dont tell me about prog rock.Becoming the Dragon,Tread the Floods,and the title track all have very progressive stuff going on,in fact the first time I heard them me and my drummer friend immediately drew comparisons to dream theater.



The riffing on detonation is very much like pantera,and the divebombing when the breakdown hits is slayer all the way.



My comment was out of line as far as death metal gos,but the point I wanted to make was that most of the bands ShadowsFallen has listed sound exactly like every other band in that genre of metal.



Also,if you have a pre-conceived opinion of Trivium you really shouldnt be reviewing the album in the first place.It wouldnt be fair for me to review the newest 50 Cent album if I already think he sucks,no would it?Its okay if you dont like bands that have that melodic thrash sound like trivium or metallica thats okay,but there are alot of us out there that do.

Album Rating: 3.0

And yes,Matt and John from Shads are very gifted and axemen,but the fact that they recycled riffs for nearly every song on their last album was shocking.



I learned Thoughts Without Words in about 2 days,start to finish,solos and everything.Im still learning how to play the song Ascendancy,and dont think im gonna get it anytime soon,not the way its supposed to be played atleast.

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Playing jazz guitar is basically how you master guitar. I'm not claiming to be a master by any means, but in the time I've been studying it it's given me a hell of an insight into how contemporary music is constructed. It's also helped me realize that it doesn't take a guitar guru to recognize just how stock this music is within metal. The length of time it takes you to learn a Shadows Fall song compared to a Trivium song has no relevance whatsoever.



I don't know what you mean by this list of bands you keep talking about. I never listed any bands anywhere in here.



Comparing my review to you reviewing 50 Cent is pointless. Like Steerpike said, this is a metal album. I listen to metal 98% of the time so there's no reason for me to rate it on a different scale than all of the other metal I listen to.



And aside from that, Trivium is not thrash at all.This Message Edited On 10.12.06

Album Rating: 3.0

hey south of heaven,im gonna get a butt whomping?



Slayer,is all about speed,THATS IT.Kerry King is one of the LEAST techinical guitar players out there and even though he is signature by all means,he is not a great guitar player and neither is Jeff or Tom,Dave Lombardo is a different story altogether though.



Who cares if Trivium likes Metallica?They make it known all the time,and their fans pretty much share the same opinion on that so it doesnt really matter.You know who I fucking hate?Death Metal bands that write about the same shit over and over again and use the same blast beat patterns and muffled growling and stupid cliche' album covers.

You hardly have me beat

and I highly doubt that your songwriting abilities are greater than Matt Heafys otherwise you wouldnt be on this forum and would most likely be on tour right now.

Also,I like how supposed musicians tact on that "Im a jazz guitar player"tag as if that is supposed to give them some kind of golden credibility amongst musicians.Its great that you do play jazz though,which should mean you know your way around the fretboard.

And yes,I listen to Rush on a daily basis so dont tell me about prog rock.

in fact the first time I heard them me and my drummer friend immediately drew comparisons to dream theater.

The riffing on detonation is very much like pantera,and the divebombing when the breakdown hits is slayer all the way.

the point I wanted to make was that most of the bands ShadowsFallen has listed sound exactly like every other band in that genre of metal.

Also,if you have a pre-conceived opinion of Trivium you really shouldnt be reviewing the album in the first place.

Its okay if you dont like bands that have that melodic thrash sound like trivium or metallica thats okay,but there are alot of us out there that do.