How very tolerant of you

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Wait is she a TERF?! Noooooooo

That’s right. Nobody can possibly have an opinion on anything which has grander ramifications on society, inclusivity and awareness unless they’re professionally and/or expertly inclined to do so and it is in line with my particular opinion. That’ll make things a lot better.

why do you even bother coming here zak, you're a 50 year old manchild who exists only to stir up shit by repeating the latest gb news buzzwords at people and then attempt to moral grandstand after

you're not even a 'good' troll who gets a reaction from people, everyone sees your stupid posts and exits out the thread because it's not worth it

Pots plead and I responded, if you don’t like the answers don’t cry about it. I’m all about the debate if people are willing to engage.

"the term ‘TERF’ is derogatory towards women"

This is some level 0 cry baby shit. What she said could have been reasonable if not for that.(Asuming that Zak has accurately paraphrased what she said here)

Zak Colton is asking you to back up your empirical claims with sources, albeit in an indirect way.

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/nhs-closing-down-london-gender-identity-clinic-for-children

you're not about debate, you're a lonely bigot who clearly has nothing going in his life ither than to try start shit. what a sad sad little man

Bigotry in its wildest forms being spouted there son.

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What do other people's children have to do with you exactly? What does something that has literally 0 effect on your life matter to you? You're concerned with matters that you know jack shit about so move on and stop obsessing



Rather have people be able to get safe and legal medication versus grow up hating themselves or get it unsafely

The statement by Hilary Cass supports your claim that there isn't enough research on the long term effects of puberty blockers.

As a result of Dr Hilary Cass’ concerns and ongoing review, in England children are not able to receive puberty blockers unless it's part of clinical research. The results of that research will soon be known:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/

Assuming he's being sincere, Zak's concern is that there isn't a sufficient amount of research to show if there is any short or long term side effects of using puberty blockers. And a result of that we should be more careful going forward.

"What does something that has literally 0 effect on your life matter to you?"
I doubt you actually believe in that as a general heuristic.


What do you mean by safe medication? It's unclear whether it is the case that there are no extreme side effects. If you want to make the argument that any likely side effects could be preferable to the alternative, mental health issues as a result of no treatment - of which we do have good data, then that's perfectly reasonable but don't pretend that we currently have robust scientific data on blockers.

I genuinely am Ghandhi.
The review is a healthy thing.

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So you don't think the parents giving their kids puberty blockers know that and are alright with the possible side effects? Why restrict access to something that is their choice, not yours?

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Transphobic people always claim to want to "protect children" but do nothing against so many other things that harm children way more than transitioning ever has

If your comment is responding to me, I don't agree with England's decision to temporarily restrict puberty blockers to only participants in clinical research. But I do appreciate the ongoing study, it's conclusions are likely to have a global influence going forward.

If it’s responding to me it goes back to Roisins original point. That the benefactors in this are the pharmaceutical companies.

Children are being used as the tools to manipulate. That is criminal.

As for other things that harm children what specifically are people doing nothing about?

What do you mean by 'manipulate'?

If further research shows that there is no significant increase in previously unconfirmed risks (e.g increased risk in cvd) and that future patients continued to be made aware of all potential risks before use would you still believe that it's criminal?

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"Children are being used as the tools to manipulate."

The same can be said of people trying to take trans rights away by using children, ie what TERFs do



"As for other things that harm children what specifically are people doing nothing about?"

Religion and lack of education due to it, guns (in this country), mental health resources, ect

If only presidential debates could be this civil