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Sevengill
July 6th 2020


12171 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

The recording quality is bad, but the production is terrific. Great depth of field and balance, smooth levels and large dynamic range. It's easy to chalk it up as bad production because the guitars are scratchy and the drums are distant but the subtleties here are so well done for an immersive and hypnotic experience.

wildinferno2010
July 6th 2020


1909 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I guess anyone complaining about bad production has just gotta be new to black metal.

The production is really nice.

StarlessCore
July 6th 2020


7795 Comments


lol bad production

siIverspawn
July 6th 2020


191 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I think some people just include recording quality when they say production.

Sevengill
July 6th 2020


12171 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I mean yeah it's all technically part of the production, but after eleven albums it's clearly very intentional and done for a specific effect. So it's lo-fi, distorted, noisy, indistinct, hazy, or a number of other adjectives, but "bad" is kinda missing the point. I've made badly recorded and mixed albums because I had no idea what I was doing, but Wintherr is totally in control here.

parksungjoon
July 6th 2020


47235 Comments


>I think some people just include recording quality when they say production.


i think some people dont actually understand how artistic choice works

Pon
Emeritus
July 6th 2020


6020 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Still a valid criticism even if it's the artist's choice. I really like the production here though, and I would even if the results were accidental.

parksungjoon
July 6th 2020


47235 Comments


>Still a valid criticism

its not like there is an objectively good way to record or mix things lol, its genre dependant at the very least

wildinferno2010
July 6th 2020


1909 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Sometimes an artist's production choices make the music sound like shit. Definitely not the case here, but I guess it *could* be a valid criticism if it were made properly

butt.
July 6th 2020


10980 Comments


2 hours long lmfao what a fucking joke

Pon
Emeritus
July 6th 2020


6020 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

"its not like there is an objectively good way to record or mix things lol"



I ain't trying to get sucked into the whole "subjectivity/objectivity" thing, but there is a difference between things like audio fidelity, dynamic range and whether something is enjoyable, which depends infinitely more on the listener.



"Sometimes an artist's production choices make the music sound like shit"



I mean yeah, hence why I often complain about a record being too clean (read: sterile). So does Park actually.

Pikazilla
July 6th 2020


30042 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I mean yeah, hence why I often complain about a record being too clean (read: sterile).



Yeah, like Mansoor-produced albums for example. Fucking lifeless and flat.

metal0natalie
July 6th 2020


53 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I wonder what Effigy would sound like with this thing's production..

TronaldDump
July 6th 2020


1266 Comments


recording and production aside, I hate how this sounds through my speakers, definitely something i can only listen through headphones (as is the case with most music I guess lol)

Eakflanderyof
July 6th 2020


5559 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Not sure if it's the case but his self titled sounds like the production could've partially been the result of inexperience whereas this album sounds fully intentional

Sevengill
July 6th 2020


12171 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I'd buy that theory. he was also using all-analog there, while later albums were more "professionally" created with that organic (if serendipitous) sound in mind.

StarlessCore
July 6th 2020


7795 Comments


it sounds so good raw

/thread

Eakflanderyof
July 6th 2020


5559 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

True. Thats probably the biggest difference honestly

siIverspawn
July 6th 2020


191 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

My impression has been that most people say "bad" knowing that it can be a choice, but it was never a good word. Clean vs. noisy or sth would be better.



My original point was then that this doesn't strike me as particularly noise if compared to other paysage releases.

PortalofPerfection
July 6th 2020


3228 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

On the production, Kerker makes this sound like a Widek album. People just aren't familiar with/used to how Wintherr wants his stuff to sound. I wasn't.



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