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The Human Language
June 10th 2008


21 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

The fact there are no advanced compositional techniques in modern popular music is my exact train of thought (this is a result almost entirely of popularisation by The Beatles, all the blues and rock & roll outfits mentioned did not explode worldwide and result in setting the poor standard for popular music the way The Beatles did).



To the poster who believes fabricating simple parts that sound good is a talent above complex scoring, a thousand music students who are trained to compose by writing mundane renditions based on simple theory which are every bit as generic as what The Beatles have ever written and that do it daily just laughed at you.

Doppelganger
June 10th 2008


3124 Comments


just laughed at you.


*scoffed

AtavanHalen
June 10th 2008


17919 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

^ I think I just came.

Fort23
June 10th 2008


3776 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

just got burned

El_Goodo
June 10th 2008


1016 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

a thousand music students who are trained to compose by writing mundane renditions based on simple theory which are every bit as generic as what The Beatles have ever written and that do it daily just laughed at you.




So you can learn in school how to be Lennon/McCartney, Smokey Robinson, Simon and Garfunkel, and Bob Dylan? You'd think if that were true more people would go.



No a song like It's Alright Ma, I'm Only Bleeding is not theoretically complex. But if you limit a song to theory your completely ignoring hundreds of other aspects that make-up a song.



Your lying through your teeth if you think thousands of classically trained musicians could write anything in Bob Dylan's catalog.



Judging a song by theory is ludicrous, it's like judging a tree by one branch. Theory is hardly the most important part in songwriting. Lennon and McCartney knew very little musical theory, but ask people what resonates more strongly with them, a song like In My Life or All You Need Is Love or Beethoven's 5th Symphony. And I'm sure you'll get a few people who do say Beethoven but most people would say The Beatles.





Mendigo
June 10th 2008


2299 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

ask people what resonates more strongly with them, a song like In My Life or All You Need Is Love or Beethoven's 5th Symphony. And I'm sure you'll get a few people who do say Beethoven but most people would say The Beatles.


of course, I agree with the rest of your post but this part is stupid. something isn't better because more people like it and one of the reasons most people would choose the Beatles is that those songs are more likely to be linked to memories and such stuff. If you'd ask those "classically trained musicians" that are mentioned every now and then here, I'm not even sure whether it would really be the beatles that would get the most choices.

Mendigo
June 10th 2008


2299 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

and that one:

Your lying through your teeth if you think thousands of classically trained musicians could write anything in Bob Dylan's catalog.


if you just look at the basics of a Bob Dylan song, i.e. chord progression, melody and such stuff, you don't even have to be classically trained to write it. of course it's not a bob dylan song then, cause the lyrics are missing, but the music is there.



don't get me wrong, I'm with you in general, bob dylan just doesn't work as an exampleThis Message Edited On 06.10.08

ArtHerring
June 10th 2008


31 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

To the poster who believes fabricating simple parts that sound good is a talent above complex scoring, a thousand music students who are trained to compose by writing mundane renditions based on simple theory which are every bit as generic as what The Beatles have ever written and that do it daily just laughed at you.
Wow, this just in: how a song is formed, written, and constructed, and the musical compositional techniques and theory - they decide how good a song is - NOT HOW IT ACTUALLY SOUNDS. Louis Armstrong, Woody Guthrie, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Pete Seeger, Lead Belly... they just laughed at YOU.

El_Goodo
June 10th 2008


1016 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Well I wasn't talking about the chord progression I was talking about the song. There will never be another song like It's Alright Ma, or Like A Rolling Stone.

Nexis
July 12th 2008


6 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Great review. I somewhat disagree with you, but you are right on many things. I do find the album boring and repetitive in some parts, and the AWFUL Love You To annoys the living bejesus out of me. Sometimes simple is good though, you can't overlook that. Look at Bach's Prelude 1 (later turned into Ave Maria). The entire musical work is simple arpeggios, anyone with 10 fingers can play it, but that doesn't make it less of a great work. When you compare it to the virtuosity of one of his inventions, the musicianship pales, but both are beautiful in their own right.



Once again, great review. It's nice to see a departure from the mindless praise of these bloated pop giants.

IsItLuck?
Emeritus
July 18th 2008


4960 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The string section of Eleanor Rigby is more appaling then the collective whole of the song. Any classically trained musician would be far from impressed at the simpleton use of such wonderful instruments


go suck on a cello bow

Spamue1G
September 7th 2008


1291 Comments


The fact is, the Beatles don't represent all of pop music. Since them, INCREDIBLY complex works have come out. The Beatles are fun, enjoyable pop. However, look later on in music- Radiohead are often just as complex as many classical artists, and they aren't half as complex as hundreds of bands which you, so-called 'The Human Language', would lump in with 'pop' music. I study music, along with many other people here, and I know that music cannot be judged on technical complexity alone. That's ridiculous to suggest. Negged. I suggest that review should be deleted, as well, hopefully along with many other users of this site.

Erratic
September 7th 2008


1120 Comments


Oh no. Hopefully that guy is gone for good.

Spamue1G
September 8th 2008


1291 Comments


^As long as you're talking about The Human Language, I seriously hope so too

Erratic
September 8th 2008


1120 Comments


Yeah, haha.

AmnesiacR
September 9th 2008


113 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

The review was very well-written, but it came off as elitist and overdone. Classical music should not be directly compared to Pop music--they are entirely different beings.

I do, though, give you kudos for your word choice and argument structure--the argument just isn't enough to warrant a 1.



Shrapnel94
October 11th 2008


2213 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

im going to be a good sport and NOT reccomend you a labotomy for rating this album what you did.

MattRTS
January 1st 2009


136 Comments


Good review, haven't listened to the album yet though so I can't agree with the rating.

bastard
January 1st 2009


3432 Comments


this album is actually really good and review is hella wrong.

gaslightanthem
January 1st 2009


5208 Comments


yes yes



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