theres not even an objective reality, gooby plx

Album Rating: 4.5

@vastwilderness That initial enumeration oozing with displeasement, insinuates an ideological position no one in this thread has thus far espoused. I agree Beethoven is probably superior to a random punk band, but the parameters that foreground that assessment are still personal, socially constructed, subjective. And one can certainly construe criteria for judging instrumental aptitude or compositional quality, but those criteria are still socially constructed and tied to the subjective perspective of those who've construed them.

Also, what's so ridiculous about referring to bands mixing shoegaze with black-metal and hints of post metal as 'Blackgaze'?

on objective reality: fucking true

ill show you some true fucking

give me a hard time

Album Rating: 4.0

There is no logical arguement that can prove that a random garage punk band is worse or better than Beethoven.

Elvenefris rules btw

Album Rating: 5.0

I don’t know if elvenefris is still overrated, since this is the only place I still frequent from time to time and we don’t talk about it a lot, but it was absurdly overhyped throughout the 00s. Tying it back to your original premise, there’s definitely been a lot of more deserving albums that aren’t sitting at a 4.2 rn

the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"

Album Rating: 4.5

@inhox & Shadow: I would contend that there be an ontological state not contingent on human perception, however our ability to know the world around us will always be clouded by our own subjective frames of reference. Thus, even if there is an objective reality, we can never know of such a reality, and thus the concept of one is rather inapplicable.

Album Rating: 4.0

reality isn't real nor does it exist

reality is as it is perceived

therefore reality is real on an individual basis

you might see art as the sharing of one's reality so that it might intermingle with the reality of another

" but it was absurdly overhyped throughout the 00s. "
it was no Blackwater Park though...

> I don’t know if elvenefris is still overrated, since this is the only place I still frequent from time to time and we don’t talk about it a lot, but it was absurdly overhyped throughout the 00s.

bro that band literally has less than 15k listeners on last.fm in current year

overhyped my ass

Album Rating: 4.5

@vastwilderness You can't just postulate some mythological 'natural order' as the basis for Beethoven's apparent superiority over others or the discrepancies between the paintings of Jackson Pollock and Leonardo Da Vinci. Those difference are ultimately subjectively percieved, assessed by subjects, tied to their interpretations, and no matter how much we may agree with those interpretations, they're not objective. Also, postmodernism is far from nonsense actually.

Album Rating: 4.0

"There are objective states of melody and harmony"



Explain



Is dissonant music objectively bad then?

Album Rating: 4.5

@vastwd: Correction, something invented is socially constructed, and the states that it produces and how we interpret those states are, well tied to subjective perception and thus subjective. Melody and harmony only exist as concepts because subjects construed them and they are in a sense derived from the very existence of those subjects. We know them as phenomenological states, not objective noumenological states. Skill and merit are ultimately about as objective as the language used to interpret, define and formulate them. There is nothing particularly 'objective' about things we cannot be detached from the existence of a subject or multiple subjects, be it ontologically or epistemically.

*makes rgument bout rating music objectively*

"im a special snowflake cuz i listen to THIS"

thats what u wanna hear my boi

XD bunch of fucking idiots lmao