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Demon of the Fall
October 18th 2023


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

The post metal side is the best side of sludge tho

and I've jammed a couple of their albums since the Scott debacle. I'm attempting defiance in not letting that spoil my enjoyment of their music (I realise this can be futile in certain scenarios, but so far so good)

CugnoBrasso
October 18th 2023


3491 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Yahhp totally understand the feeling. YWGWYW by Daughers used to be one of my favorite albums ever, and I still like it, but not as much as I used to, and I miss that. That also applies to Neurosis to some extent.

I hope not to come off as an asshole, of course the people involved in these stories had it worse than us.

Jurtz
October 18th 2023


5368 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

What makes it worse is that it was going on for many years and he pretended that nothing was wrong.



That is the essence of a bad person. He had so many opportunities to stop, to reflect, to seek help, to admit he has a problem, but he chose to continue.

ReefaJones
October 18th 2023


4067 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Opener = best Neurosis song

SomeCallMeTim
October 18th 2023


5349 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Definitely the best on here, the screams are haunting. Purify is my favorite so far tho

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2023


20674 Comments

Album Rating: 4.8

This and the remastered version of The Word As Law are the only two Neurosis albums I come back to (and occasionally Enemy of the Sun). The rest just never jump out at me when I'm thinking of playing something by Neurosis.

VlacDrac
October 19th 2023


2895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Does that mean ISIS were always the superior Post Metal/Atmospheric Sludge band?

Demon of the Fall
October 19th 2023


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Sounds like you don't really like atmo-sludge / post then Willie. I do enjoy TWAL a fair amount also, but it's not up their with my faves (and EOTS is bottom 3 for me)



does what mean that? Both are essential, which is all that matters

Willie
Moderator
October 19th 2023


20674 Comments

Album Rating: 4.8

--Sounds like you don't really like atmo-sludge / post then Willie. --

I don't. Too much build time without enough payoff for me most of the time. It's the same reason I don't like most the post rock stuff (but love God Is an Astronaut's brief post rock style).

Jurtz
October 19th 2023


5368 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I agree 100%.

evilford
October 19th 2023


71756 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Mostly agree but Neurosis and ISIS are different

Flugmorph
October 19th 2023


35426 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

love ♥ and peace✌️

JohnnyoftheWell
October 19th 2023


64287 Comments


Sludge is post-metal's silver lining and not the other way around tbh

Demon of the Fall
October 19th 2023


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

the majority of sludge I dig has post-vibes so will tentatively disagree until you (maybe) explain because I may have misinterpreted this

JohnnyoftheWell
October 19th 2023


64287 Comments


Name three great post-metal albums that have no sludge influence, and then name three great sludge albums that have no post crossover
One of these is much easier than the other

SomeCallMeTim
October 19th 2023


5349 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I agree with Johnny + Willie but also Evil, pretty much all sludge I come across that is grimier/grindier/louder is by far superior to any of the atmospheric sludge/post metal I've heard save for Neurosis and ISIS and a few tracks from bands here and there. Still haven't been able to super click with Cult of Luna

JohnnyoftheWell
October 19th 2023


64287 Comments


Okay woah there lol, atmosludge is still GOATed at its best and easily worth the modicum of patience it demands - just think it's a glass canon genre with a small set of champs, and that sludge as a whole has much more to offer than post metal maybe

Demon of the Fall
October 19th 2023


39136 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Hmm, not sure I can actually name 3 post-metal albums without sludge influence full stop... any examples? I guess the two are intertwined almost inseparably to me and I'm not a big sludge fan (by itself)

So yeah, there's probably more notable releases, maybe I just don't really care for them? I guess.

Thou is cool tho

JohnnyoftheWell
October 19th 2023


64287 Comments


I'm being a lil facetious here because Feedbacker and Choirs of the Eye are the best albums in the genre if you include them, but neither parent band is rly associated or representative of post metal (and Feedbacker has enough stoner crossover that it gets a pass on lack of sludge)
But otherwise, cull sludge/stoner/anything equivalently gnarly or noisy like the Angelic Process from post-metal and you're left with Agalloch and a bunch of flaccid blackgaze acts. And um, like, the Pax Cecilia - no shade, but not exactly a sales pitch

GhandhiLion
October 19th 2023


17793 Comments


Sludge is post-metal's silver lining and not the other way around [2]
Yeah, the rest is just souvenirs , Angelic Process etc

Choirs should have been representative of post-metal though :3



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