Album Rating: 4.0

>that's literally what the guy in the video said. "You have to listen 4 times to have an understanding of music." calling people's musical education "woefully incomplete" implies that.





if you want to understand all of it perfectly thoroughly then probably



the reason i linked andreyev's video is because if you pay attention he actually goes to explain what they're doing concretely, in detail, with all the knowledge and perspective that a classically-trained composer like him has



obviously im not here to tell anyone what they "have to" do, everyone has their own taste and experience and journey. im fine with anyone saying this is the worst album they've ever haerd, even. i was just trying to point out that calling it sloppy is factually incorrect, it is very meticulously practiced and executed

Album Rating: 1.5

So it's meticulously sloppy. at best it kinda gives me vibes of TVU&Nico which also felt really sloppy to me. lol

Album Rating: 4.0

¯\_(ツ)_/¯



fwiw safe as milk is way more accessible than this

bruh

This is the worst album I've ever haerd park

Album Rating: 4.0

it has guitars and stuff

Ugh exactly

Album Rating: 4.0

rate brotzmann's nipples

Album Rating: 3.5

check gorguts - obscura next [2]



sloppiest musicians in metal

Album Rating: 1.5

"fwiw safe as milk is way more accessible than this" fair enough. that might be good enough for a safe 3/5 maybe... 60s and earlier music in general is difficult enough to get into as it is because it all just FEELS dated, production and otherwise (i'd likely be viewing Pet Sounds a lot differently and a lot better if i didn't have a hard time with the very obvious old recording quality and performance style...because the songwriting beneath is plenty worth the praise, i just don't really vibe with the old shit as much as most do).

Album Rating: 4.0

I cannot relate to that statement, I love 60s production



it has a warmness a lot of modern music doesn't



Sometimes I wonder if too high production sometimes sounds kinda cold and sterile

that acutually makes me feel sad for you lol

The Beach Boys didn’t even have quantized drums, real amateur hour shit

Album Rating: 1.5

i mean recording quality nowadays is a hell of a lot more high-definition that even a raw punk project will typically sound better in 2021 than in 1981. i do get that it's mostly technical limitations that i'm griping about, that they couldn't help it, but it's just like... it's a fuckload easier to say, jam the very first MCR record (which is very stripped back and raw on the production side of things) or even spin something on the raw side in the mid-1990s.

60s and earlier production very clearly feels its age, and i don't think i've ever heard like, say, an anthony green-style singer from the 1960s, so there's also that. (yeah i'm letting my bias towards modern vocal styles affect it too, sue me)

Album Rating: 3.5

production with character gang



or "clean" production that doesn't sound sanitized as shit

the first mcr record has always sounded and will always sound like shit

there being no anthony greens in the 60s is a huge positive and the contingencies you're drawing between worthwhile music and high prod value / superficial observations of what you perceive as good musicianship are both entirely your loss tbh

my fking train is delayed and there is a typhoon fuck this

Album Rating: 1.5

i mean it's crazy how much worse something like this would have likely sounded 20 years prior to its release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-cepZ6K7mY

guitars would've sounded as punchy as, say, Black Flag in the Damaged days, which i personally find lacking.

If Anthony Green didn’t exist it would be necessary to invent him

this may be my favorite venin nonsensical argument yet

Album Rating: 1.5

"the first mcr record has always sounded like shit and this will also be the case

there being no anthony greens in the 60s is a huge positive and the contingencies you're drawing between worthwhile music and high prod value / superficial observations of what you perceive as good musicianship are both entirely your loss tbh"

1) it's still miles ahead of most 80s punk production tbqh

2) a huge positive for you, but it's one of the few specific vocal styles that truly elicits emotion out of me...i don't really feel it from a Waters, Gilmour, Daltrey, etc. in the same way i do a Green, Way, Sotelo, Palumbo, etc.

3) songwriting back then wasn't necessarily bad, but it's a harder sell for me personally, i've been trying and i think Bowie might be the sole exception i have found where i was able to set it aside.