Album Rating: 4.0

Culling Voices is objectively the worst Tool song since 1995 and, obviously, it's theneedledrop's favorite on this album.

Culling Voices is a long way from good but it's nowhere near as embarrassing as Invincible

Album Rating: 3.5

Dafuq? Invincible is extremely good.

Album Rating: 4.0

Yea, Invincible rules



People who think it sucks just don't have the brain capacity to fathom its awesomeness tho. We shouldn't mock these lower beings.

Album Rating: 5.0

Indeed, anthropologists don't mock chimps.

Album Rating: 4.0

An interesting phenomenon that caught my eye is that pretty much all people who criticize Tool for their "lul high-school cringy lyrics" are hypocrites who pretend bands like Pink Floyd, Swans and The National don't have lyrics like they're written by 13 year olds.



What I'm saying is, Johnny, like many other members on this site, cares about lyrics more than music itself.



Invincible is objectively a relevant metal song this decade, and if the song was made in Japanese so Johnny wasn't able to understand the lyrics he'd probably weeb about it and not stop talking about it all the time, let alone call it embarrassing.



(I'm assuming he holds that opinion due to the lyrics, because there's no way in hell anyone would believe Invincible is anything less than a technical and compositional marvel.)

Weak content bc I also pay varying levels of attention to Japanese lyrics and domestic platforms (the fact that you don't accounts for your endearingly shallow Seiko takes and blindness to Shiina Ringo's obsolescent nationalism), but the only relevant thing here is that Maynard singing in Japanese would likely improve the song because it would partially excuse the ultracringe clipped diction into which he forces well-meaning English syllables

Album Rating: 5.0

Uggghh...for me lyrics in English are almost always cool...except those cringey emo bands with a dude screaming about ending or not his life because of a girl.



As to Maynard in here, lyrics felt very predicting as the year went down. Bless you all if you sneezed.

Album Rating: 5.0

Oh and Baseline...just to enlighten you, Johnny decided his position towards Tool way before he actually listen to any Tool album.

So after start with the wrong foot, its really hard to take back (ego or not).

What I honnestly don t get its the importance he gives to it to the point of not leaving this thread - to the point this thread has become a space for recing j-pop.

Album Rating: 4.0

More like J-poop amirite?

Aight aight I come to this thread to shitpost (because shitposting is fun, whereas - as we shall see - talking about Tool is not), but I'll not abide slander:
1) there have been no j-pop recs made itt to my understanding. if you mistook discussion for recs, that's on you
2) "Johnny decided his position towards Tool way before he actually listen to any Tool album."
I discovered Tool when I was 13, and if you could only have seen how open my mind was back then, I'd have eyes are up here'd you faster than Danny Carey can count to 7. Still thought it sucked balls. Spent a decent chunk of high school listening round individual tracks and got a limited amount out of them, but never jammed a whole album because I didn't have high hopes. Then I decided to listen to Lateralus. I thought it would be boring but competent because Tool at their peak were, to my understanding, boring but competent. I telegraphed this on the music website sputnikmusic.com in advance of listening to the album and a load of grouchy (ex)stoners made fart sounds with their throats. Then I listened to it. Turns out I was right
"So after start with the wrong foot, its really hard to take back (ego or not)."
you are absolutely correct. Tool sucked ass the first time I heard them and they suck ass now. 11 years have made zero difference there

Album Rating: 4.0

Thread just regressed about 300 pages.

yup, we had a good run

Album Rating: 4.0

I totally understand being unable to get into their music, but the constant shitting over them by Tool tourists is such an obviously cheap tentative at receiving attention. I mean, even as a mighty music critic you can come here act as mature as you want and throw names like Can, King Crimson, John Fahey, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Autechre (etc.) left and right, and you can even write here entire essays about how much better Modern Classical is than Rock music and why Tool is embarassing, and so on and so on, but at the end, in the eyes of the woke Tool fanbase your opinion is simply factually inaccurate. They say Tool is the greatest band of all time after all, and I happen to agree with that statement strongly. You can keep on repeating how carefully you listened to this band, but if your opinion is negative, then no, you haven't ever listened to Tool's music, trust me.



Kill the ego.

Album Rating: 5.0

So many words to tell us your age Johnny xD

Album Rating: 3.0

I just can't agree with Johnny's viewpoint. Tool sucks? You may not enjoy the music, but are you going to argue that this music really sucks? It might but not be for you, but your 2.0 rating is meme-worthy to me, and makes me roll my eyes whenever I see it. I think you'd have to admit this album is at least average or good. Your rating is purely emotional to me in this case, Johnny.

Album Rating: 5.0

"the woke Tool fanbase"



err, what? lol

Album Rating: 5.0

I'm going to take some sleep now . . .

whether or not you think this album sucks, the production is undeniably stellar.

I just can't agree with Johnny's viewpoint. Tool sucks? You may not enjoy the music, but are you going to argue that this music really sucks? It might but not be for you, but your 2.0 rating is meme-worthy to me, and makes me roll my eyes whenever I see it. I think you'd have to admit this album is at least average or good. Your rating is purely emotional to me in this case, Johnny.