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Ocean of Noise
May 5th 2016


10970 Comments


Staff reviewers ratings very closely match the average,I did some lists on this. Why wouldn't you want people thinking independently about music?


I think the problem is more that people rate similarly to how the staff reviewers do. They see the rating that a given staff reviewer gave a given album, and so they're more likely to give the album in question that rating, or a rating close to it.

Put simply, it's a game of Follow the Leader, and the staffers are the leaders.

BeyondCosby
May 5th 2016


2781 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"When people google reviews of this album and click on the Sputnikmusic link, THIS is the review they will see. THIS is the review that will represent the site's views on the album. And that's absolutely ridiculous."





"Sputnik can be really toxic and unforgiving for the plebs and the small-time users who participate in it."



[2] Agreed Hard.

Kupasexy15
May 5th 2016


364 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Speaking of which -- this review is indicative of it too. It's spiteful simply because it can be, and that doesn't add anything to the greater community here. I just appreciated within it a tone I perceived -- perhaps incorrectly -- as slamming the rampant hypocrisy and pretentiousness permeating this place.

Ocean of Noise
May 5th 2016


10970 Comments


"Sputnik can be really toxic and unforgiving for the plebs and the small-time users who participate in it."

I agree with this, too. We need to be more positive and welcoming towards new users. Who cares if they like music that the site has deemed to be bad?

macman76
May 5th 2016


2122 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

@ocean... It's nearly impossible to assess directionality of average rating to review rating (or review content) on this site. Deftones has enough of a fanbase on this site, that reviews might affect a users rating less than for a lesser known band.

Mongi123
May 5th 2016


22036 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

@WilhelmBlack Dude, this is ONE staff review and a shitty one at that. It doesn't reflect the quality and professionalism that many of the staffers and even contribs write.

Ocean of Noise
May 5th 2016


10970 Comments


@ocean... It's nearly impossible to assess directionality of average rating to review rating (or review content) on this site. Deftones has enough of a fanbase on this site, that reviews might affect a users rating less than for an lesser known band.


Fair enough, man. I think you know more about this than I do anyway.


WilhelmBlack
May 5th 2016


603 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

This is not a contrarian piece and I find contrarian pieces to be douchy and picky. If I wanted to read a contrarian piece, I would read a horrible Lester Bangs review.

CameronLaD
May 5th 2016


254 Comments


I can't tell who is putting forth more effort. The reviewer, working hard to trash Deftones. Or myself, trying to piece together how this is even considered a review.

WilhelmBlack
May 5th 2016


603 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

@Mongi123, a few staff reviewers on this site are just horrendous and it makes me question how someone could possibly become a staff reviewer on this site? There needs to be a major cleansing. There should be consequences for these type of reviews considering the power he has. I really believe the voting system for a good review or no should be on a staff review.

Kupasexy15
May 5th 2016


364 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"Put simply, it's a game of Follow the Leader, and the staffers are the leaders."



Exactly. A lot of the unnecessary nastiness is justified by what will be always a somewhat arbitrary standard -- given the nature of music criticism -- that's constructed by the staff, contributors and more popular and extremely active users on here.

WilhelmBlack
May 5th 2016


603 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

"Exactly. A lot of the unnecessary nastiness is justified by what will be always a somewhat arbitrary -- given the nature of music criticism -- standard that's constructed by the Staff, Contributors and more popular and extremely active users on here."



I have seen this from several due to having a slightly different opinion on an album here and there and it is annoying.

WilhelmBlack
May 5th 2016


603 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Sputnikmusic needs to stop being used as a citation for albums on Wikipedia or in general because there is nothing professional about this site whatsoever.

Mongi123
May 5th 2016


22036 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

@WilhelmBlack I say this again, this is literally one single review. There are many people are here who are respectful and love having good conversations. Also many take reviewing seriously. Stop acting like sputnikmusic is one single entity.

climactic
May 5th 2016


22748 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

fukkin rekt

Kupasexy15
May 5th 2016


364 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Well, Wilhelm,



Let me clarify a bit more: It justifies and enforces the nastiness of a lot of users -- not Staff per se -- who revel in the confirmation bias and then proceed to anonymously sneer at content put forth by others who differ, all the while simultaneously offering little to no original content of their own for the community to judge.

WilhelmBlack
May 5th 2016


603 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

"Stop acting like sputnikmusic is one single entity." I don't and I have had maybe 3 or 4 decent conversations. I rarely say anything because it goes against the groupthink of this site.



"Let me clarify a bit more: It justifies and enforces the nastiness of a lot of users -- not Staff per se -- who revel in the confirmation bias and then proceed to anonymously sneer at content put forth by others who differ, all the while simultaneously offering little to no original content of their own for the community to judge."



I had maybe one or two staff members on me. I have had plenty popular members of this disavow what I say and call me the equivalent of a pleb when in reality I am definitely not.



Kupasexy15
May 5th 2016


364 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

To be fair, Mongi123 is right that there are lots of good and productive users and staff on here too. We should avoid the temptation of seeing Sputnik too holistically, a monolithic block, and lumping in the good with the bad.

klap
Emeritus
May 5th 2016


12410 Comments


"I think the problem is more that people rate similarly to how the staff reviewers do. They see the rating that a given staff reviewer gave a given album, and so they're more likely to give the album in question that rating, or a rating close to it.

Put simply, it's a game of Follow the Leader, and the staffers are the leaders."

sputnikmusic users confirmed for sheeple

Kupasexy15
May 5th 2016


364 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

With that said, it's nice having a substantive conversation for once, but I've spent way too much blood and treasure on this thread. I'm going to cut the lawn.



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