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JohnnyoftheWell
November 30th 2023


64287 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

NERD DISCOURSE ALERT why are Tortoise tagged as jazz, are they not v much more in the jazz fusion camp?

GhandhiLion
November 30th 2023


17793 Comments


They are not in either camp

GhandhiLion
November 30th 2023


17793 Comments


White Ward #1 jazz album of 2022!!!

JohnnyoftheWell
December 2nd 2023


64287 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

jazz-rock is more adjacent to fusion than it is "jazz" though, no?

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17793 Comments


Perhaps. Though tortoise isn't jazz rock.

All jazz-rock is influenced by jazz. But there are a lot of jazz-rock albums that are also jazz fusion.

JohnnyoftheWell
December 2nd 2023


64287 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

well what genre is Sarah, Mencken, Christ, and Beethoven if it's not jazz-rock

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17793 Comments


https://youtu.be/_3no8bpFT1M?si=xFh7iCPihlFbrvbd

Some songs come close, but they are still more accurately described as post-rock than jazz rock.

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17793 Comments


"Sarah, Mencken, Christ, and Beethoven "

Probably post-rock like most other songs

JohnnyoftheWell
December 2nd 2023


64287 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

other than post-rock, which is moot for all these tracks -_-

that track's melodic vocab (and to a lesser extent the t/t's) leans p clearly into jazz influence, just need an appropriate tag for it. similar story (though v different sound) on parts of Standards

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17793 Comments


Yeah it's influenced by jazz for sure. As well as some electronic dub derivative genres probably.

wdym by "need an appropriate tag for it"? Here on sput?

JohnnyoftheWell
December 2nd 2023


64287 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

Well, it already has a jazz tag on sput - so more of a question of whether that's appropriate, or would be better (expediently) denoted by fusion

(I now have a Jazz pie slice and look like a colossal poser for it - am playing damage control here)

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17793 Comments


It would be better with neither so the charts are more accurate.

Time to encourage people to stop using tags everywhere for any detectable influence then!

Or in the case of jazz, when instruments associated with jazz are present.

JohnnyoftheWell
December 2nd 2023


64287 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

*cries in Bark Psychosis*

Ryus
December 2nd 2023


37885 Comments


dont remember why i didnt like this prob will check again

KuyJuk
November 11th 2024


32 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

boring, souless, tedious

Demon of the Fall
December 4th 2024


38990 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

...and one hell of a ride?



Seriously this is wonderful. Very late to this party but am glad to have stopped by. This is a distinct flava of post-rock I can get behind. Enjoying the dub influence. And of course, the jazz influence

Demon of the Fall
December 7th 2024


38990 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I want to live in a timeline where more bands took their cues from this brand of post-rock, rather than what it became

Demon of the Fall
December 10th 2024


38990 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The equator is fire 🔥

zakalwe
December 10th 2024


41924 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I’m with ya

zaruyache
September 10th 2025


28603 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

new tortoise announced buckos



http://www.intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/touch



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