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buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Inveigh- You at least see what I am getting at?

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
June 4th 2010


32289 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

No, it just means that you have a different opinion than him. You can argue with him, and explain why its this and not that, but you can't tell someone that they are wrong for thinking differently than you. Well you can, but he could just say the same thing back to you. And group mentality means nothing, thinking the same thing individually or as a whole doesn't change the simple fact that he likes this album more than most. No biggie

Locrian
June 4th 2010


1003 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Neither is wrong, but neither is right. That's not what opinions are.

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

"Neither is wrong, but neither is right. That's not what opinions are."



But you're not seeing this: You just told me my opinion about this is wrong. So what does that tell you?

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

If someone came on here right now and posted, in all seriousness, that brokencyde was the greatest band to ever walk the earth, what would tell them? And don't lie to make your argument stronger, tell the truth: Everyone would banish him from this site, telling him that he is COMPLETELY wrong.

Inveigh
June 4th 2010


26879 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I see what you're getting at 'pit, but I think you're coming at it from the wrong angle. There is no right or wrong here, there is only majority opinion and minority opinion. The majority thinks this album is pretty good, but there are also outliers that think it sucks ass and other outliers that think it's fucking classic.



the only way to go with a "right and wrong" approach is to base it off how you think this album will be viewed by music critics in a historical sense maybe 15 years from now (which is a guessing game). Will we look back on it like we do Practice What You Preach by Testament or will it be more like a Warrant album? Maybe it will be forgotten like so many other thrash and hair metal bands. The best guess right now is that it ends up being remembered as a pretty good but unoriginal NWOAHM/metalcore record, and in that case people rating it a 1 or a 5 aren't in line with this album's place in metalcore history (assuming that's how it ends up).

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
June 4th 2010


32289 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Tbh I wouldn't care. I might have a chuckle to myself, but where do I get off accusing someone of having shit tastes?

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

When there is a gray area with music, I agree. When there are 30 ratings saying it's a 3, 35 saying it's a 3.5., and 25 saying it's a 4, then yes, I agree that there isn't a wrong or right. But when there are 30 ratings of 5 for an album and 162 ratings of 3 for an album, what does that mean? Which side of that perspective are you going to believe?

Locrian
June 4th 2010


1003 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"If 99 people say something is bad and 1 person says its good that doesn't make him wrong, it just means he doesn't agree with the other 99 people"



This sentence defines "bad" and "good" as opinions. How is a definition an opinion in itself?

Inveigh
June 4th 2010


26879 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

well you don't have to believe any of them if you listen to the album yourself. you can just give it the rating you think it deserves.



that said, this doesn't deserve a 5 ;-)

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

"Tbh I wouldn't care. I might have a chuckle to myself, but where do I get off accusing someone of having shit tastes?"



No, I agree, but when that said person doesn't give you any other reason other than "oh, they just are," or "oh, I just think it is," then what does that tell you? The person has no way of backing up his rating, because he truly cannot find a valuable argument because there isn't any.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
June 4th 2010


32289 Comments

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I still don't see the big deal with someone rating this a 5

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

"that said, this doesn't deserve a 5 ;-)"



Thank you Inveigh

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

It's not a big deal, I was just trying to spark a conversation out of sheer boredom yesterday afternoon. Ya gotta remember, Dev, that Nebraska ain't got shit to do.

Locrian
June 4th 2010


1003 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"If someone came on here right now and posted, in all seriousness, that brokencyde was the greatest band to ever walk the earth, what would tell them?"



Okay, I'd tell him he's wrong. Why? Because that's my OPINION. And if everyone else said that as well, that doesn't make it any less of an OPINION, just like the original statement is also an OPINION.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
June 4th 2010


32289 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

This sentence defines "bad" and "good" as opinions. How is a definition an opinion in itself?


What? I think The Wall by Pink Floyd is a great album, I just defined that in MY opinion. What are you on about?

No, I agree, but when that said person doesn't give you any other reason other than "oh, they just are," or "oh, I just think it is," then what does that tell you? The person has no way of backing up his rating, because he truly cannot find a valuable argument because there isn't any.


Okay, I can see that. But are you using that same train of thought here? As in do you think he hasn't justified his rating?

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
June 4th 2010


32289 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Ya gotta remember, Dev, that Nebraska ain't got shit to do.


Haha, all good



This is actually quite a nice discussion

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

I see that both sides of the argument are valid(in my eyes at least). I just see too many people nowadays rating things without truly finding a reason to justify their rating. I don't see how someone could give this a 5, just as much as I don't see how someone could honestly give a Brokencyde album a 5. I know it's the two extremes, but still the same nonetheless.

buckfutter
June 4th 2010


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Well, I'm gonna use a user on this review as an example:



"Well, this album's a 5 to me. I don't know, it just is."



That shows me the person hasn't truly listened to the whole album, is a AILD fanboy who thinks everyone of their albums is a classic, and/or someone who is a fanboys of generic metal. That's all I'm really saying.

Locrian
June 4th 2010


1003 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"What? I think The Wall by Pink Floyd is a great album, I just defined that in MY opinion. What are you on about?"



I'm going to rearrange each of our sentences to make this more clear:



Me "I define 'good' and 'bad' as words that denote opinions, based on something I know for a fact."

You "I define 'The Wall' by Pink Floyd as a great album, based on my opinion."



That's the difference.



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