RVAHC13 I looked at it and yeah it's more gruesome looking but I don't it was worth still walking off the stage in such a fashion that probably gave them a big pop as live things and stuff.

I thought this was their first album and obviously according my link and years that I was in error in just my mindset.

They sure became more emotional rockers. Staind was everywhere once like a lot of pop punk bands. "Well How About You" I went to strip clubs they played a lot of Staind in Canada a long time ago. According to youtube they are still on tour.