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There are people who say Floyd isn't very proggy, but just highly conceptual and with long songs. They characterise Floyd as art rock and Porcupine Tree as new art rock. After their definition prog is about complex compositions (Not just time signatures, but complexity overall) and Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson are often about ambience and atmosphere.

You don't have to agree with this way of thinking, but I think there is something to it. I have to agree actually.

Nevertheless something being prog or not doesn't affect my enjoyment at all so it's really just a nerdy definition kind of thing

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Well progressive rock was all about concepts and long songs when they started and it wasn't necessary that atmosphere and ambience were out of question. I have to say, however, this highly specific categorization is becoming tiring. I mean, complexity in and of itself is not enough to talk about progressive rock. What does ''Art Rock'' even mean?

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Yea, it can be fun for a while though. People shouldn't be too serious about all of this though, it simply doesn't matter that much.



I like this paragraph from Wikipedia, it pretty accurately describes what I mean:



"Differences have been identified between art rock and progressive rock, with art rock emphasizing avant-garde or experimental influences and "novel sonic structure", while progressive rock has been characterized as putting a greater emphasis on classically trained instrumental technique, literary content, and symphonic features. Compared to progressive rock, art rock is "more challenging, noisy and unconventional" and "less classically influenced", with more of an emphasis on avant-garde music. Similarities are that they both describe a mostly British attempt to elevate rock music to new levels of artistic credibility, and became the instrumental analog to concept albums and rock operas, which were typically more vocal oriented."

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tl;dr wiki says art rock has all the bits that most people would actually called progressive lol nice. this has almost made me take it seriously as a genre tag

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Art rock basically emphasizes atmosphere and musical textures with a little more sophistication and technicality than mainstream rock. It's not as technical and complex as progressive rock, with song lengths usually not going past the 5 or 6 minute mark I find.

Pink Floyd isn't progressive rock the way Yes, King Crimson, Camel, mid-late '70s Rush, or '70s Genesis were, so they're kind of the gold standard of art rock to me along with 1965-1970 era of The Beatles. Roxy Music, Velvet Underground, and some David Bowie could be seen as the more punk, zany, avant-garde side of art rock.

PT are most influenced by Pink Floyd, especially early on, but are influenced by bands like King Crimson too. The way I see it, PT and Wilson's solo career are consistently atmospheric, but evolve and are a smattering of things; the 2000s PT albums have almost as much alternative/art rock & metal as prog imo, and Wilson's solo albums are primarily prog but also have elements of electronic music, jazz, metal, and alt./pop rock.

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I can't listen to wanky prog anymore. It has to have some character and musical sense. And complexity can be in the form of layers rather than just technical proficiency, bands like Leprous get that, even if I'm not totally digging their latest albums, can't deny how talented those bastards are

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Progressive has lost the right to its name. Currently, I like to listen to bands that emphasize on structure and ideas, rather than exercizing on rhythms and meters. Gazpacho, later-era Katatonia, Pineapple Thief, Rishloo, Leprous, Klone, Votum, Mother of Millionsare my go-to bands generally.

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Same. Not to sound like a ponce, but emotion and subtle technique are more worthwhile to me than how technically impressive the instrumentalists are. David Gilmour isn't very complex as a guitarist, but he's the greatest because of the rich beautiful textures he plays and huge emotion he gets from the guitar.

Mythodea I would add Porcupine Tree, Anathema, Oceansize, and Riverside to that list. Anno Domino is the only Riverside that approaches levels of wankery but they make it work imo.

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Steven Wilson had an interesting point about music being progressive in a sense of creating something new. According to him the last big innovation happened in the 80s with the invention of sampling and synthesizers. New technology basically.

Nothing of the same impact has happened since the 80s so of course music didn't progress that much from back then. There are trends, but it's mostly about toying with building blocks that already existed.

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That's an interesting take. What would you say is a new form and what is a new movement? I have no knowledge in music for these things.



@Talons Hell yeah for all those bands, part from Oceancize. I haven't heard them.

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Future butts postponed until January next year. Oh dear.

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Yeah, saw it a few minutes ago

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What does ''Art Rock'' even mean?



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Yes porcupine tree were only pure prog on a few of their albums



Art rock and art pop are rooted in Andy Warhols pop art ideas. The combination of high culture (avant-garde, classical, jazz) and low culture (rock music, pop music)



It's a pseudogenre but it is valid. The most common differential between prog rock and art rock is that art rock is more "song focused"

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honestly, the only thing i noticed from listening to "art rock" is that the musicians were so preoccupied creating a "higher art" form that they ended up writing bad & boring music...

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Prog isn't about the technique

It was always about a complex fluctuant structure, buildups and releases

That's something a lot of prog metal bands doesn't get

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STEVEN SHITSON

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"It was always about a complex fluctuant structure"



Read this first as complex flatulent structure. Possibly makes more sense.



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