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Nirvana and Star Wars were before the age of information where people only being told where to look instead finding their own medium. the greatest minds are never recognized in their own time.

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True enough Boney - like I said I think some artists just get lucky with the right place right time and if they're very fortunate indeed it will make them legends, but it isn't necessarily a thing that should make us respect the artist more just something to appreciate in a wider picture



I didn't say bandwagon jumping - like I said I think most of those at least had something innovative and new in them (GoT not really, Nirvana to some extent, Star Wars definitely) it's just stupid to call it magic and silly to pretend "the conclusion has been reached"



then again I do actually think the Sopranos is one of the greatest shows of all time so maybe I'm just as much a sucker as everybody else

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The 'magic' is still tangible with things I wasn't there for. The explosiveness of Jimi, Sabbath, 70s punk. All crackle with an energy of time and it still translates. Crosses Over.



Kurt doing Where Did You Sleep Last Night still has something to it.



Row won't get it cos his soul has been mushed.

Boney gets it.

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Doof I think the reason there is a lot less monumental, sensational art/culture today is that the Internet has created an individuation of culture - sure, there's still a lot of stuff that everybody hears about, but there's also a lot more stuff being produced (ergo more things get recognized and thus everything receives less individual recognition) and now one can choose to filter out whatever one doesn't want to see/experience. Back in the day you couldn't ignore Nirvana or Star Wars or the Beatles or Michael Jackson even if you wanted to. Today however...not so much.

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Basically zak has taken in absolutely nothing of the points presented no surprises there



Boney you're definitely onto something there, so much to see/hear/do and so little time hence we have to block out some stuff etc

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I only wind you up about the lack of soul rowbro. It's bigger than most but by Christ you're a nerd.

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hey we're both spending every day arguing about shit like this on an internet forum but you've got some years on me so who's really the bigger nerd lad?

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And it boils down to this...its the nerd-off to end all nerd-offs bitches :D

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My inner nerd is fucking massive. I make Napoleon Dynamite look like the Fonz.

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There is not a single person on this site that does not qualify as a nerd.

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Boney your earlier point, you might be right - who was it who first talked of the nightmare of unlimited choice? That's this generation, the saturation generation

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Bowie banging on about music becoming commodity hit it on the head.

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The classic thing is most of my buddies think I'm the least nerdy in our group, I try and argue my case that I'm a huge fucking nerdo but they won't have it because I don't play computer games and live with a living breathing woman.



Could be time to show them my Sputnik account(s) xD

Context around art is critical. Appreciating the classics is about understanding where they came from - not geographically as much as what influences led to their creation. That's what makes them special. You don't have to like it (I mean personally I don't really ever jam any Nirvana), but to say that there aren't any undisputed classics is about as objectively wrong as you can get in art. Look at the impact, look how it creates its own cultural paradigm - there's your classic.

I skimmed the discussion so I might have only tangentially hit people's points but that's my 2c. Don't be that guy who looks at a classic Picasso (or anything that isn't technically as impressive/not impressionist painting) and says "I don't get why anyone like this."

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"Bowie banging on about music becoming commodity hit it on the head."



thats like when nevermind hit the shelves and sells ten million copies around the world right

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but if I'm disputing that something is an undisputed classic... does it not then make it a disputed classic?

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Some bands/artists/albums are undisputed classics, no matter whether you like them or not. I'm not really into The Rolling Stones for example, but to dismiss them as not being a legendary act would be silly. I often wonder who from today's music scene will be considered a legend in 30/40 years time. Kanye? I mean I do like some of his music but come on.

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Success was not guaranteed or envisioned though p4p - the X Factor winner 2017 will sell dot records in week 4 it's guaranteed. The mainstream music industry is totally unforgiving now and bands work to targets and see it as a career a lot more than they did and they'll openly say it totally dominates their creative process and leads to huge artistic compromises. Obviously the flip is the underground is bigger than ever...but those artists will find it hard to breakthrough in a truly huge fashion.

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I get what you're trying to say clearly it's just... think about the definition of undisputed for a second

That's a semantic argument Row that I can't say is wrong but goes against the spirit of my point, which is that looking at cultural impact is a less subjective exercise that can indicate classic status.