Album Rating: 4.5

Plant could never reach the high notes like he did on studio. I've never seen a clip of him pulling out the high note on Since I've Been Loving You or him reaching the final long note on Stairway



Great singer of course, but nowhere near as close as one of the best ever as mainstream media says imo



Gillan, Dio, Halford, Mercury or Byron (when he wasn't drunk) all did a better job live at their peak



Ann Wilson in her 60's pulled out Stairway to Heaven better than Plant ever did at the Kennedy Center tbh

Album Rating: 4.5

I will just assume you did not watch the video I sent

Album Rating: 4.5

I've watched it before. It's a pretty cool rendition of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, I'll give you that



Plant's great, but it really feels like there was a totally different vocalist on studio



Band as a whole is kinda overrated besides Bonham which deserves all the praise. Amazing group, but the godlike status they get is a bit too much imo. Purple and Sabbath were certainly the better bands out of the big three

Album Rating: 4.5

"I've never seen a clip of him pulling out the high note on Since I've Been Loving You or him reaching the final long note on Stairway"



Again, it just seems you haven't listened to much live Zep in the late 60's and early 70's. Plant used to absolutely nail and destroy the high notes on Since I've Been Loving You as evidenced here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngdAZIQnPrw



"Plant's great, but it really feels like there was a totally different vocalist on studio"



After his surgery, I can agree that he changed his technique and style and did not sound as similar to studio, but early Zep he was absolutely unbeatable live



"Band as a whole is kinda overrated besides Bonham which deserves all the praise. Amazing group, but the godlike status they get is a bit too much imo."



Page is certainly not overrated and I think we've established that Plant isn't either. Point me to 3 singers that can reach these notes live as the ones from the above video.

Album Rating: 4.5

"Again, it just seems you haven't listened to much live Zep in the late 60's and early 70's. Plant used to absolutely nail and destroy the high notes on Since I've Been Loving You as evidenced here"



I have all of their live albums and have checked all of their performances on youtube m8. I love them, but I don't think they're the best thing ever.



Page has a great technique but he really lacks identity and originality. When he wanted to, he could certainly bring on a fresh sound (Dazed and Confused or Achilles are great examples), so I wish he did that kind of stuff more. Again, on the big three, both Blackmore and Iommi did a better job for me



As for vocalists the ones I named in the other comment are good examples. Gillan obliterates anyone, including Plant, on his high notes, and by a lot. Dio and Mercury were also better at lower or more operatic styles, and Halford was better both in high and more operatic styles

Album Rating: 4.5

I'm not sure why you are trying to argue with me as if I've qualified Zep or Plant as the greatest thing to ever exist. All I wanted to prove to you is that you obviously have not watched all Zep live videos if you, as you originally maintained, believe that Plant was a "really weak singer" that could not reach the high notes live that he managed to do in studio. The video I linked is enough proof of the opposite, together with the hundreds of other live shows of early Zep so I rest my case.

Album Rating: 4.5

I should correct myself on the "really weak" statement, you're right. I meant that as in compared to what he does in studio. And even if he could do well live (I don't think there's a Zeppelin fan who hasn't checked Blueberry Hill), I still think it's nowhere near as good as most people say, which is what I refered to with "best thing ever". As I expressed on a previous comment, it is the godlike status they get on the mainstream that I feel is overrated.



They were a fantastic and influential band, with top-notch members and incredible albums. But there were plenty of better hard rock (and rock in general) bands out there at the time. Better vocalists, better guitarists...

Album Rating: 4.5

There might have been better vocalists than Plant, however at this high of a level it's all subjective. One can prefer Freddie Mercury (who also often did not sing the hardest studio notes in his live performances), but at the end of the day Plant is up there with the greats. Whether you like Gillian or Mercury or even Halford more, I think it's a stretch to say there are "plenty" of vocalists better than Plant and kinda diminishes his abilities. He certainly is up there as one of the greats and there is practically no difference in his singing abilities live and in-studio before 72'.

Album Rating: 4.5

" but at the end of the day Plant is up there with the greats"



That is true. I admit that what I've been saying might be taking as me disagreeing with that, but it is not the case. It is the idolatry that kinda bothers me. I suppose that Mercury is the only one that gets as much praise by the media and people who aren't that much into music.



And yeah, he was definitely better before '72. Blueberry Hill or the BBC Sessions are great, while The Song Remains the Same is just good imo. Knebworth is even meh I'd say but yeah, before '72 he certainly was great

Album Rating: 4.0

I don't say Plant isn't pleasant. And he is iconic too and inspired singers like Halford. The other guys like Halford, Dio, Mercury, Tate, Dickinson etc. just have more pleasant tones to their voices. And many of them had more longevity to their voices too.

Plant is a pretty weird case though, he had nodules since forever and still manages to perform somehow. He certainly isn't a role model for aspiring singers (that would be people who didn't get nodules in the first place imo), but he is a great frontman.

Album Rating: 4.5

"He certainly isn't a role model for aspiring singers"



tell that to Greta Van Fleet lol

Album Rating: 4.0

Okay, let me correct my statement: He certainly isn't a GOOD role model for aspiring singers :P

I wouldn't want to miss Plant vocals though. Good shit.

Album Rating: 3.7

What did I rate this

ed. probably accurate, maybe a bit harsh

A bit harsh indeed, it's a 4 at least Johnny.

Album Rating: 4.0

"A bit harsh indeed, it's a 4 at least Johnny."



I think the same. It isn't a masterpiece but still is very good.

Yeah unless your double album is called "London Calling" it probably could use a bit of trimming

Album Rating: 4.5

the avg for this is precise

Album Rating: 5.0

Still my 3rd fav LZ album

Album Rating: 5.0

feel like this would've been their best if it was just the songs they recorded in 74, even though The Rover and Bron-Yr-Aur are top notch

Album Rating: 4.0

a 3.7 is a harsh rating?