Album Rating: 4.5

maybe we can get 50 cent to start wearing "Free Jesse" shirts 🤔

Album Rating: 4.5

Is there any music that is artistic or important enough to overcome its maker being a terrible guy? Or are you all just that hardline that you wouldn't make exceptions for anyone

I think people go harder on Lacey over others because his lyrics aged poorly and are somewhat relevant to his nastiness. Also when kids are involved, it's hard to not draw a line.See that Sudden Death song off YFW. As a former R Kelly fan, I had went thru the same and can't listen/look at him the same

Album Rating: 3.0

“going to a concert doesn’t make someone morally bankrupt jesus fucking christ man”



Deontology says: don’t give money to abusers



Consequentialism says: the possible consequences of replatforming an abuser outweigh my whims



So you must be an emotivist?

Considering Rowling went out of her way to quite publicly announce that she is creating a fund with Harry Potter money to explicitly support an anti-trans agenda, yeah I think it's okay to be critical of folks who are aware of this for continuing to support her.

If we wanna talk about bad faith, maybe we can talk about the swaying goal posts of "Jesse is total reformed" to "it's just a concert, who cares"

Album Rating: 5.0

I don’t consider people thinking less of me for going to a concert a consequence, at all.



I know I’m not morally bankrupt and I know I did nothing wrong by going.and at the end of the day, I know who I am, and that’s all that matters to me.



Wildcard, someone said you’re taking Ls left and right, but that’s all perspective. Because I see you making valid point after valid point and backing it up with substance, while others keep saying the same thing over and over, as nauseaum, without really making much of a point.



Jesse’s job is as a musician, music is his passion. Of course he has every right to tour if he chooses to do so. And you can choose to say or think anything you want. But some of us will continue to see the shows and ultimately not give a shit what others say, but continue to waste your breath, energy and time all you want.

Album Rating: 4.5

Ok groomer supporter.

Album Rating: 5.0

It really is a shame that the band's reunion is so grossly marred with Lacey's personal history.

What a waste.

Album Rating: 5.0

And before anyone can say “THOUGHT YOU WEREN’T GONNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT It WAA WAA WAA”, you’re too late. Because I’m already pointing it out.



I changed my mind. Not gonna watch moral police bully Wildcard for having am opinion. Moral grandstanding is a terrible look on anyone and everyone.



Again. Respectfully agree to disagree. Oh, you can’t do that? Then guess what? You don’t know how to be the bigger person.

"I'm a good boi because I say so" is a crazy take lol

Album Rating: 5.0

Ok groomer supporter.



Go ahead. Repeat yourself again. We didn’t hear you the first thousand times, or your favorite word, “nonce”.



Say it until you’re blue in the face. And ask yourself: do you really think I give a shit what you think, do or say?

Album Rating: 4.5

^ based on this comment; yes

Album Rating: 5.0

"I'm a good boi because I say so" is a crazy take lol



It’s not crazy at all. I hope when you grow up a little, you’ll get the true peace of mind that comes with that.

This band isn't good enough to be crashing out over tbh

Album Rating: 5.0

^ based on this comment; yes



Ok. But you’re wrong.

Album Rating: 5.0

/thread

Album Rating: 4.0

Witnessing Princess Diana levels of crash out in here.

Album Rating: 3.0

“I don’t consider people thinking less of me for going to a concert a consequence, at all.”



Believe it or not, none of the consequences of this have anything to do with our opinions of you, but instead with the inevitable outcome of letting a child groomer regain the exact platform they once used to groom children

^ Yes exactly. That’s why people are mad. Its not moral grandstanding for the sake of it. It’s not that we care about what you believe, it’s providing a platform to a dude who doesn’t deserve one and could harm even more than he already has.

And not to mention, proponents of this band keep throwing rationalizations like “it’s just a show”, “I’m comfortable with who I am”, etc etc but you’re going so hard at the perspective of “I’m not wrong/defend”. Think about the correlation between POTENTIALLY enabling a non-rehabilitated man to prey on kids just so you can hear some fucking songs you like with live instruments???? Like come on you cannot really think that’s warranted???

I loved this band before but it is absolutely stupid af to pay to see them now. Not to mention the fact that people with his struggles typically do not rehabilitate as they cannot curb their inclinations. Not saying it’s impossible, but again think about how you’re playing with fire just to “have fun” for one night. Play a video game or something lmao

Album Rating: 4.5

Back when shit hit the fan in 2017, never in my wildest dreams did I think this thread would still be delivering the goods nearly 8 years later.