oh and he is incredibly racist and sexist but w/e

Like don't get me wrong, from what I've seen about Front Porch Step the dude is a shitty individual who did shitty things, but a lot of the people in this thread need to stop crusading against people who listen to his music when they listen to musicians who have done the exact same, and even worse things than this guy. It's hypocritical.

Album Rating: 1.0

i actually don't listen to musicians that diddle kids, can't relate tbh

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just cuz yorue a botdf apologist doesnt mean anyone else on this site is, too

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"a lot of the people in this thread need to stop crusading against people who listen to his music when they listen to musicians who have done the exact same, and even worse things than this guy."
except this guy's actions are still fresh and i suspect people who still support him are doing it to "make a point" that doesn't need to be made. when there's 1000 other musicians just like this dude, why support the kiddy diddler? he's worth forgetting.

Album Rating: 1.0

God this is bad.

"except this guy's actions are still fresh and i suspect people who still support him are doing it to "make a point" that doesn't need to be made. when there's 1000 other musicians just like this dude, why support the kiddy diddler? he's worth forgetting."

I'd never purchase any of his songs for that reason that I don't want to financially support someone like that, but Front Porch Step released an album that I enjoy a fair amount. When it comes to listening to music, I separate the artist from the product.

fuck this dude but also come on if your morale applies to dismiss this guy but not a church arson ethno-nationalist murderer fuck and i might as well bring up the point that many people on this site also mercilessly defended michael gira even with no tangible reason to.

Oh what I'm saying is that I have no problems listening to Varg, or Michael Jackson or any of them. My point was that either you separate the musician from the music in ALL cases, or none of them.

yes, exactly.

However, doesn't this album deal topically with basically shamelessly apologizing for his pedophilia?

I haven't listened to this album, so I wouldn't know.
I just like one of his previous albums.

"fuck this dude but also come on if your morale applies to dismiss this guy but not a church arson ethno-nationalist murderer fuck and i might as well bring up the point that many people on this site also mercilessly defended michael gira even with no tangible reason to."

not everyone who dismisses this guy supports burzum or gira. i get the "separate the art from the artist" argument but it's not like people are writing a slew of biased 1/5 reviews for his album. they're collectively saying "this is fucked up" and "fuck this guy", which they have every right to. it's messed up when musicians abuse their status like this. writing a 3.5 review with the primary objective being "separate the man from the music" is imo playing devil's advocate in an argument that doesn't need it. everyone here knows that bad people can make good music. i just can't imagine what kind of person would support an album from a dashboard confessional stan, in 2017, when 1000s of other musicians like this exist, just because they want to mount an objective high horse and say "tsk tsk" to a community that is still reeling.

like, imagine putting this album on in a car with someone who had a similar experience happen (involving sexual harassment) who also was aware of the Front Porch Step controversy. would you say "what, can't separate the art from the artist??"

i understand, but here's the dilemma; this artist musically is allegedly not any good either, his music is nothing to write home about so it's easy to dismiss him and never have to deal with it again. but with artists like varg and like michael gira, these are people who have recieved acclaim and appraisal here and in music circles, many sput users enjoy the music that these two people make, so they're inclined to be morally more lenient with these artists. it's inherently hypocritical.

"many sput users enjoy the music that these two people make, so they're inclined to be morally more lenient with these artists"
are they more morally lenient? i don't think anyone here is willing to defend the crimes of either MJ or Burzum. at least not that i've seen

"like, imagine putting this album on in a car with someone who had a similar experience happen (involving sexual harassment) who also was aware of the Front Porch Step controversy. would you say "what, can't separate the art from the artist??"

Johnny, I love you man but I have a huge problem with this perspective. I've been sexually assaulted before, and I have absolutely zero problems listening to music from scumbags who do such a thing. It might just be the way that I coped with it, but I don't actively think about who wrote a song when I'm listening to it, I just enjoy the song. I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, what this guy did was absolutely deplorable and I'm honestly happy that he received (and still receives) such scrutiny for his actions today. However, music is still music, and just because the creator does something, doesn't mean that it taints the product he's created.

lenient enough to separate the artist from the music which they cannot do with music they do not favor.