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Bad Religion and their offshoots were and are tremendously influential in punk rock, that's a fact that has nothing to do with taste. And that's not even counting what Westbeach Recorders/Brett G. did for general production quality in punk bands lol... Punk rock as a genre in 1987 was fucking DEAD until Suffer came around, but I'd love to see you dispute that since you claim to be knowledgeable.



Haha how about explaining how your opinion means anything at all to me?

he wasn't being serious...

bad religion ‘and their offshoots’ main influence was on homogenous pseudo-punk and spawning legions of fucktards that say things like “that's not even counting what Westbeach Recorders/Brett G. did for general production quality in punk bands lol...”

Punk rock as a genre in 1987 was fucking DEAD until Suffer came around

Punk rock as a genre in 1987 was fucking DEAD until Suffer came around

I wouldn't say that it was dead--maybe a little less notable than a few years ago, but not dead. First wave of hardcore ended in '85 or '86 but the year gap between that and Suffer certainly had stuff going on, like the Embrace record coming out, Big Black putting out Songs About Fucking, strong activity from the Descendents, and so much more.

At any rate, this record is about 4/5 solid. Bad Religion's one of the few big punk revival bands that still put out legitimately good records.

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Dude i love Bad Religion lol

Im just saying I think this particular album is not that good haha



punk was not dead in 1987 lol



1987:

Amebix - Monolith

Napalm Death - Scum

G.G. Allin - You Give Love A Bad Name



1986:

Electro Hippies - Play Fast Or Die

Hellbastard - Ripper Crust

Cro-Mags - The Age Of Quarrel



1985:

Napalm Death - Hatred Surge

Dicks - These People

The Dead Milkmen - Big In my Backyard

Amebix - Arise



lol thats just a few random good albums. I'm sure there is loads more

i'm pretty much predisposed to liking lagwagon because tony hawk pro skater 2

also yeah Squirrel Bait, S.O.B., Butthole Surfers, Big Black and Slovenly all had albums come out in 87. i mean i definitely enjoy me some BR and the like from time to time, but it was just a different, wayyyy less experimental brand going on at the time.

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Strizz is a true punk rawker

lol

slovenly are cool, didn't get into them till recently

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porch was there in '87

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87 was pretty much when grindcore was accepted too lol. Pretty much the most extreme punk that

exists. I'm sorry but i'm a major grindcore fan and I find it offensive to say punk was dead in 87'

absolute bullshit. Listen to "Heresy" you fucks.

you should make a grind list, i need more grind

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In fairness, I think the idea that punk was dead/dying before Suffer had less to do with whether there were bands out there making music then it did with the fanbase not being there or rapidly shrinking and becoming discontented/disinterested in the quality of music that the punk scene was producing and with the punk movement in general.



How accurate this history is, I don't know for sure. Hard to say when you weren't there, this history is confined to a very specific time and place so naturally accounts will vary. But what I do know is the IDEA that Suffer revived or at least revitalized the punk rock movement is certainly not something that was invented by Strizz on this thread, that is a meme that has existed in the punk rock movement for as long as I can recall (going on nearly 20 years now). Hell, make a punk rock bible and that shit would be in there.



The proof of this idea is rooted in bands such as Pennywise writing half their freaking songs raging against the idea that punk was dead or is dying. This was very early 90's, it certainly fits into that time frame of Suffer just being released and punk making a big comeback and gaining a huge amount of fans in the process. Granted, it certainly didn't make Pennywise suck any less, but the idea for their older material was growing up in and around a scene that was not healthy musically/spiritually or whatever you want to call it and Suffer is widely credited as having changed that dynamic...

Suffer definitely did something very important for the rise of punk back to commercial success, but from what I understand bands who played offshoots of punk and weren't confined to the tags "punk rock" and "hardcore punk" were still going fairly strong around the time.

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I agreed w/ Strazz earlier, but his historical revisionism regarding the importance of Suffer here is beyond

embarrassing, even when Graffin himself (or anyone who was old enough to make music back in '87 & actively

remembers it now) would dispute such generalized arguments.





IMO, punk revival / mainstream is actually dying, contra the "dying punk of 1987", and/or committing genericide by

incorporating more eclectic sounds and/or purposely marketing themselves to more lucrative audiences & adjusting

their sound in the process.





Dimsum & deadguy are on the money here. Epitaph will never release something like Songs About Fucking unless it

was overdubbed w/ emo vocals.

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"Genericide." I fucking love it.

The most notorious crime in existence



I never knew that was a real term haha

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Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

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'Suffer' revived the SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA punk rock scene in 1988. An important milestone, to be sure (considering the So-Cal bands who would use it as a template for commercial success half a decade later), but not for the entire genre.

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Hmmmm....now the arguments are just going a bit off the rail on both ends. Suffer was clearly an important milestone for the entire genre. It wasn't like the album just took off in Southern California. That album won legions of new fans across the entire country.



Punk may not have been dead, but Suffer made it a hell of a lot bigger.

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Im not saying it wasn't important, but its not the entirety of the genre, either, as masochist said above. It's not a coincidence that most of the mainstream would point to Suffer as a starting point, in their minds, for punk, I don't think.

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"Suffer" is the shit obviously

The crusty/grindy shit was way better then though I thought