Well thats entirely subjective.
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No. No it's not.
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Yes it is.
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Album Rating: 4.0
Artic Monkeys have decent lyrics in terms of representing their lifestyle. Of all the bands whose lyrics deserve to be attacked, these guys aren't very high on the list. They have very weak aspects, to be sure, but lyrics aren't one of them.
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Okay Liberi, everybody has a right to an opinion, however who are you going to trust, Mr. Amsterdam who we know nothing about, or me who is known to take college classes in creative writing, mods the s&l forum here and wins them contests in there. Though you personally may not agree with me, who would tend to trust more at qualifying a band's lyrics?
Also, morrissey, that is true about the list of bands who deserved to be attacked for bad lyrics, but that doesn't make them good.
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That's because there's no critic who would consent to liking GunsnRoses.
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Spat out, you're missing the point, this isn't about what you like or dislike, it's about quality. I like NOFX a lot but the quality of music they are creating is lower than that of a band like Thrice. An educated opinion can make that qualification.
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but everybody's personal criteria for defining what's "quality" differs. That's why there is an arguement here in the first place.
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Yes, but everybody can respect something like a published poet or receiving a degree in something. It's what would make somebody want to hire one as a critic over some average joe. There's is some universality to how to observe quality. What I'm saying is that you should trust my opinion more because of xyz reasons of education.
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Everybody cares. Understanding what makes something subjective good or bad is incredibly interesting and perplexing!
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What I'm saying is that you should trust my opinion more because of xyz reasons of education.
Bill Gates is a dropout. This Message Edited On 03.24.06
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Yes, but everybody can respect something like a published poet or receiving a degree in something. It's what would make somebody want to hire one as a critic over some average joe. There's is some universality to how to observe quality. What I'm saying is that you should trust my opinion more because of xyz reasons of education.
True, but that depends. Some people (idiots) couldn't care less about artistic culture and want straight no-frills entertainment, and others enjoy appreciating everything across the spectrum of quality(though it could certainly be exhausting). Their definition of quality is different from others and this where bands like The Arctic Monkeys fit in.
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His pedigree is his self-education and what he has accomplished. You're citing a 1/1000000 case in all of drop outs. Citing one example contrary to the norm doesn't excuse all the cases of drop outs failing. It's only for people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates who are going to establish their worth outside of education that you can make the assertion that it doesn't matter.
If you didn't know anything about Bill Gates, and you were given the resume of Bill Gates right after he dropped out versus the resume of a recent Harvard grad, who would you hire? It's a no brainer.
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Spat Out, sure bias exists. You can tell that in the course of reading reviews. I admitted I was biased in my Thrice review, but that review still managed to be voted the best review of the year by sputnik users. Biased isn't necessarily bad. It gives you insight into the voice and views of the critic and allows you to shape your understanding of how you're going to view the thing, in my case Vheissu.
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Zesty, reviews and other things do pick up on the general opinion versus an opinion of quality. In many reviews for summer blockbuster movies, a reviewer will admit that the movie is just a summer blockbuster but then qualify the movie within that paradigm. Saying "it's good for a mindless action movie" let's people know what kind of quality set we're dealing with. Mindless people are probably going to think it's a good movie and people with a brain are going to probably think it's good for a mindless action movie.
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Of all the debates at Sputnik, DFelon, I give you props for being the best at supporting your opinion.This Message Edited On 03.24.06
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Album Rating: 2.5
Damn, this was fun to read.
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Well that's what I was getting at.
Now I'm just confused as to what I should be arguing about.
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His pedigree is his self-education and what he has accomplished. You're citing a 1/1000000 case in all of drop outs. Citing one example contrary to the norm doesn't excuse all the cases of drop outs failing. It's only for people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates who are going to establish their worth outside of education that you can make the assertion that it doesn't matter.
Well now that is a hyperbole if I've ever seen one. The most famous poet in my country, Hone Tuwhare, was a high school drop out. Furthermore he worked in a steel mill for half his life. Yet his works would easily diminish that of any university graduates. There are many more success stories like him out there.
As such I hold everybodies opinions in equally high regard, unless the repeatedly prove to be an idiot.
Anyway this isn't the place to argue, so back to the Arctic Monkies.This Message Edited On 03.24.06
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It was about lyrics at first. I'm asserting that because I have certain qualifications to be able to understand the quality of creative writing that my opinion is closer than Mr. Amsterdam's to being accurate. I'm not saying he's not entitled to his opinion on the lyrical quality and he may even have superior qualifications we don't know about, but I'm trying to argue that my opinion is better on the giving information at hand, as dick as that is. That initial assertion spawned a lot of tangential arguments about the nature of opinion.
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