Album Rating: 3.5

lol I don't know about THAT.

Bad dubstep could just as well be called wompstep though

Okay this just got stupid

Album Rating: 3.5

Let us put aside our djent differences my friends, and bask in the glory of friendship!

I don't understand why people insist on having these ridiculous genre arguments. Genres are created BY people FOR people as a means of identifying a particular style of music without having to verbally describe what the music sounds like. It's basically just a shortcut to identify what music sounds like so that others will know what you're talking about when you mention it. So when people say the word "djent" or any other word, and that word alone is able to communicate a particular sound and style of music effectively to many people... then it is serves exactly the purpose of a genre.

Not really, they're actually undermining a genre by trying to establish it as something new

"So when people say the word "djent" or any other word, and that word alone is able to communicate a particular sound and style of music effectively to many people... then it is serves exactly the purpose of a genre."

you make the fatal error of assuming that "djent" does this

it doesn't

How so? Like what is being undermined exactly? (just curious on your point of view.. not attacking you)

You're effectively stunting a genre's growth when anytime someone comes along and does something the tiniest bit different (and I stress tiniest) that you can't wrap your head around (not you in particular but you get what I mean) and have to think of something new for it

You're awarding experimentation in a completely ignorant way

I think of it more as a sub-genre, I guess it's pretty up in the air still.

hey guys brb gonna compile a list of "jangle"

R.E.M. and The Smiths are my favourite jangle bands

literally copypasted this from that glorious wiki article

Djent, in its original meaning, is simply a short, metallic, palm-muted sound made by an electric guitar using mid to high range gain. The guitars often have a very prominent midrange tone and the bass guitar usually has a distorted tone focused towards the low frequencies. Another type of sound often referred to as djent is achieved by low tuned, open note syncopated riffing, often used during a breakdown for more metalcore influenced bands.[citation needed]

Another major contributor to the "djent" sound is computerised sound. Many djent musicians, such as Misha Mansoor, started their careers home recording, using amp modelling and programmed drums.[1] This approach was even employed on professional releases, such as Periphery's debut album, which featured drum samples and amp modelling from an Axe FX Ultra unit.

"was that a diss lol"

uh no, they both use jangly sounding guitar in their music so the genre they belong to must be jangle duh

"You're effectively stunting a genre's growth when anytime someone comes along and does something the tiniest bit different (and I stress tiniest) that you can't wrap your head around (not you in particular but you get what I mean) and have to think of something new for it"

Hmm.. that's a pretty interesting way of seeing it. But what exactly do you mean by the "growth" of a genre? I guess the way I see things... music is music. As a means of efficiently categorizing music, we have come up with a system of words we call "genres" to quickly convey styles of music to different people. These categorizations don't actually exist.. they are simply created on the basis of easy communication.

So to me, it seems like sub-classification of genres by creating new words is actually a beneficial thing, because it allows specificity when communicating with people about music without needing to specifically detail the sound of a music. So I'm not sure I see what the "growth" of a genre really means. If you mean it becomes more diverse.. then doesn't that in itself undermine the genre? If a genre has become so diverse that the word no longer can specifically describe the type of music I would say the genre has actually become ineffective. Agree/disagree?

The only time I would think a "genre" isn't valid is when it isn't widely understood and not many people really associate it with a particular sound of music. Which relates to:

"you make the fatal error of assuming that "djent" does this

it doesn't"

Doesn't it though? Yes, the term technically refers to a particular guitar tone and that's how it originated. But I would argue that it has evolved into classifying that tone, and the particular style of music that tends to accompany it.

Doesn't it though? Yes, the term technically refers to a particular guitar tone and that's how it originated. But I would argue that it has evolved into classifying that tone, and the particular style of music that tends to accompany it.

So to me, it seems like sub-classification of genres by creating new words is actually a beneficial thing, because it allows specificity when communicating with people about music without needing to specifically detail the sound of a music.

uh no, they both use jangly sounding guitar in their music so the genre they belong to must be jangle duh

"specificity is only good to a point, then you're just splitting hairs and calling things that have one technique in common "djent""

This is an extremely good point and is worth stressing. You're totally right.. to a certain point sub-classification does become counter-productive because it splits up music that has too much in common with other close-by subgenres. Therefore, communication actually becomes more muddled and confusing rather that helpful.

But, I can't help but point out that in your list of bands that you provided and which you identify as using the "djent" tone are quite diverse. You're using that as a negative thing and as evidence that this type of music can't be a genre because of the diversity. But you're comment about splitting hairs actually makes you list seem like the opposite. All of these bands are definitely unique and create their own sound.. but medium through which they create that sound is the "djent" tone. Also, they all have a couple key characteristics in common, such as rhythmic comlexity, progressive tendencies, experimentation, and in certain cases aesthetics.

Isn't that what a genre is supposed to be, even if it is a small one? All the band aren't supposed to sound the same or you would probably be classifying it too far and would be splitting hairs, as you suggest. But they should have a few key elements in common that make up the core sound, which all of these bands do.

"yeah like i said, it's a classification in the loosest sense, i wouldn't call it a real genre or anything. i kinda like that particular one though, dumb or not"

dude it was a joke

Did I seriously use three hyphenated words in one sentence? Hahaha I think that might be a personal record.. the funny thing is I don't think a single one of those words needed a hyphen :X