Nick Greer claims it gave him hemorrhoids.

Album Rating: 3.5

Pennie was definitely critical to the songwriting process. While lesser contributors, I think over the years losing Adam Doll and Brian Benoit hurt the band and their chemistry as well.



One of the problems I had with Ire Works when it came out was is that it was the first album where DEP fell into the pattern that would kind of define their career. Because of lineup changes, Calculating, Irony, MM felt very different. Ire Works is where they just started iterating on their sound, and as a result I remember being underwhelmed by the heavier tracks. At the time, I felt like they were a rehash of the heavier tracks on MM, which to be fair isn't a criticism I would really level at other bands for whom I had different expectations. I still feel that way to an extent, but on Ire Works, it still sounds relatively fresh and is well executed. And as Pots mentioned earlier, they often keep things shorter and sweeter than on their other records. In general I find they've have had severely diminishing returns on their core sound since MM.

like holy shit Mouth of Ghosts is legit easily a 5/5 song from all angles

Album Rating: 3.5

Mouth of Ghosts you're definitely right about.

"How are Option Paralysis and One of Us is the Killer a "shitty watered down version" of Dillinger Escape Plan? "

literally how are they not? OP was like "K fuck our idiot fanbase didnt like Ire Works so lets just make a really overproduced version of Miss Machine but while still trying to sort of integrate the experimentality of Ire Works in but this time lets just do a way shittier and sloppier job of it and hopefully they will like it better" and then Killer was like "k fuck it lets strip ALL of that jive ass bullshit and just make the blandest possible DEP album we could ever conceive cuz this obviously isn't working"

"One of the problems I had with Ire Works when it came out was is that it was the first album where DEP fell into the pattern that would kind of define their career. Because of lineup changes, Calculating, Irony, MM felt very different. Ire Works is where they just started iterating on their sound,"

this is wrong. so wrong. Thats OP.

Album Rating: 2.5

I seem to remember liking killer more than this but I tend to forget most everything about it

it was a severely forgettable album.

Album Rating: 5.0

Miss Machine pissed on Option Paralysis for me too, the overall sounds are similar I agree, and the production is a lot cleaner on OP but they're just simply way better songs on MM, and the raw quality just suits them better.

Album Rating: 3.5

I think OP as an overproduced version of MM is a mischaracterization. It's easily their most melodic and hook driven record, and despite some spastic jumping around had more predictable song structures than anything they'd done at that time. There was certainly a drop in quality, but I find that MM and IW are more similar to be honest.

thats an oversimplification of what I said/meant. it comes off as an overproduced version of MM that absurdly poorly integrates the experimentality and hook driven components of Ire Works as well as attempting to (and utterly failing at) harnessing the melodic and dynamic emotionally climactic moments. So basically its just an overproduced bastardization of Ire Works and MM

Album Rating: 2.5

I actually really like the ultra clean production sound on this band



I mean it still doesn't sound anything like the new TDWP in terms of overproduction (just went back and forth from those two albums) and it works really well for songs like the opener

why the fuck u listening to TDWP

Album Rating: 2.5

because their new album has like a 3.9 average and that initial high rating thing that sput typically has tricks me like every time

lmao

Album Rating: 3.0

Hopefully Ben will move on and will do something seriously cool now. Apart from gto

and hopefully greg never does anything ever again

Album Rating: 3.5

oh come on "overproduced" is a bs arguement for OP



i love MM but it sounds muddy as fuck compared to OP. their songs on that album deserved better production. the heavy parts sound so much more powerful on op

no because the shit production on MM complimented it perfectly while the production on OP just made it even easier to hear how much of a fucking tool Greg is

and also completely sterilized the large majority of the album to near unlistenability