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@DarkSide, "(Gojira,Tool,Meshggah,Death,SYL)"
sick taste brotha.
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@DarkSideOfLucca
Yes it does. The things you like, don't like or couldn't care less about all speak volumes about you as a person. Artistic preference is just another term for character.
The experimental side of music is technicality, hence I've listened to Tool, Meshuggah, Dream Theater, Psyopus, Sleep Terror and the like. The intellectual side is exactly the opposite of technicality. I was shocked when the revelation hit me many years ago. Neither Psyopus nor Meshuggah are mature. Psyopus is just more technical and odd but also raping of the ears...at least for me. In any case the more mature a certain form or piece of art is you enjoy the more mature you are. As for the lyrics...using a thesaurus to write your lyrics is something not even I did as a teenager...so much for maturity.
@ D41V30N
Technicality, fun and depth are everything but synonyms.
While fun is subjective technicality and depth aren’t. Technicality is not depth and this isn’t open for debate. Artistic depth and technicality are firmly established traits despite what fans of any artist might believe.
“Come here I’ll rip your face apart” is something only a teenager struggling with puberty would like, quote and hail. You prove this by stating it is something I won’t understand. Many years ago when I was a teenager I also believed the world can’t understand me or anything I liked and loved.
I’ve already stated how there is no atmosphere apart from prologues and epilogues to a song and even then are they immature. Remember when it was ok for 50 year old hobos to dress in leather, piss on people, scream and kill animals on stage? Those were the days when guitar solos were played by those people. Think about it.
The vocalist is just like the entire band, too monotone and too full of themselves to realize this. There’s a reason I mention Tool all the time when I speak of Meshuggah.
The fact you ask me whether I’m 16 proves what I said before. I too was one a teenager who disliked emotions though I was emotional. Nevertheless the more “brootal” the band the more I liked it. I can understand fans not growing up but the band should.
I already said I have a quality sound system.
I’m not imposing anything…just bored and discussing without the need to be obscene…OBZEN get it? Har har har Anyway, listen to whatever you want.
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"I was shocked when the revelation hit me many years ago."
What are you? Some Prophet? XD
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Artistic preference isn't a term for character in any language. The intellectual aspects of music, or
at least the aspects that appeal to the intellect, aren't found exclusively in any single dimension of
any genre. Some experimentation with, or considered use of, technicality could easily engage the
intellect. And the experimental side of music is not limited to technicality in the slightest.
Experiment simply implies testing the limits or rules that govern, or at least guide music and
people's engagement with it. You could experiment with theme, mood, tone, texture, repetition etc etc
etc without ever going near technicality. Your egomania is grotesque.
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@Kj- Thanks, man!
@Cyrogenix
Never really got into Psyopus, not really a fan of random wankery nor grind. What music would you consider mature then, if not bands that have an original sound or experiment with music? That sounds much more mature to me than the opposite. As far as this whole thesarus thing you're stuck up on, I don't really think it's as big of a deal as you make it out to be, but I can see your complaints. I mainly love their lyrics for their ideas, and whether Haake knew what a certain word meant before he looked it up or not, his pairing of the phrases together is what makes it poetic. Also, leave the personal stuff out of this, dude. Just because I like different stuff than you doesn't mean you're somehow superior.
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Well said, ConsiderPhlebas.
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100th comment, yeah!!!
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@ConsiderPhlebas
It's not a synonym, it's an established artistic trait. There are more types of intelligence as you surely know, hence certain aspects of music appeal to certain types of intelligence. While intelligent people (not counting autistic people) generally have all types of intelligence at a higher level the nuances make a difference. Which type of intelligence is most prominent and most developed is very important. The mathematical-logical side of intelligence appeals both to artistic depth and technicality, however without engaging your emotional and verbal intelligence the technicality proves an entirely different thing: namely underdeveloped emotional and verbal intelligence, but I've sidetracked too much already.
I never said that the experimental side of music is limited to technicality.
Certain people claim there's no human being who doesn't "suffer" from egomania and who isn't autistic to a degree. Right back at you I suppose.
@DarkSideOfLucca
I hate Psyopus. If you don't want to lose technicality yet care for something more mature then IN MY OPINION (I have to say this since I'm sure many will disagree and everyone believes to be aware of what mature is more than anyone else) Animals As Leaders and Unexpect...but just slightly. And once again IN MY OPINION I've yet to find more mature music than post rock, post metal, classical music...for now.
I'm sure I'm going to sound like a prick, but who cares. Are you superior (intellectually) to someone who listens to RAP and/or pop?
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I think you have a terrible attitude towards music Cryogenix. No, you are not "superior (intellectually)" to anyone that listens to rap or pop. Why must one seek out the most "mature" music? I listen to music to enjoy myself, to relax, to have fun, to pass time, whatever. I'm not using it as some sort of proof that I'm intellectually superior to anyone else, or that I am more mature. Who cares?
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album rules btw, need a few more listens before I can rate it though.
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@Emyay
"No, you are not "superior (intellectually)" to anyone that listens to rap or pop."
It was a rhetorical question. The answer is yes, proven fact.
I never seek out more mature music, I evolve, I'm a pokemon. I'm sad when people don't evolve, I'm even sadder when bands don't evolve. I listen to music for all those reasons too and even more. If one is going to discuss music one must take into consideration certain proven facts, no one is using them for any reason other than to state their existence and prove certain other facts.
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this is really good. i had a much easier time getting through the whole thing than i have with their past albums.
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"I think you have a terrible attitude towards music" There. I couldn't agree more.
"IN MY OPINION"
YES, YOUR OPINION! Doesn't necessarily mean they'll have to be our opinions as well.
"Are you superior (intellectually) to someone who listens to RAP and/or pop?"
I don't listen to rap or pop; I dislike both of these genres. That does not mean rap or pop are terrible genres. That's why I don't rate any rap or pop albums, let alone go into some rap or pop album page and try to force my opinions about how much I dislike rap or pop on to others.
You say you were once a 16 and listened to monotonous music? Let's say you're now 25 and listen to what-you-call "better, more mature, with more depth" music. But your brain is still left back at the age of 16.
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"I never seek out more mature music, I evolve, I'm a pokemon."
... Why have we been feeding this troll again? Good night.
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The experimental side of music is technicality
I never said that the experimental side of music is limited to technicality.
Your view of people's engagement with the particular artform of music is brutally reductive, and
completely alien to my own experiences with music and the experiences, as far as I can gather, of
the many hundreds of people I have talked to over the years. Intelligence in any form is no
guarantee, no measure of what a person will enjoy, because art is not a series of mathematical
equations that can only be understood or experienced in strict ways. The ambiguity of art means
that people can and will be attracted to similar things for vastly different reasons. Some of the
most intellectually capable people I've ever known have been lifelong hardcore and metal fans -
scientists, writers, actors who all found different things in the same source material.
Intelligence might play a role in what type of music you like and the reasons why, but it does not
dictate. If it did, every intelligent person would love jazz, surely, or classical.
We may all suffer from egomania, and god knows I can be an arrogant prick, but you seem oddly
concerned with what you perceive as maturity and depth of character, to the point that anyone who
doesn't meet your purely subjective criteria is somehow inferior. Lighten the fuck up, man.
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@cryogenix
What are these facts again?
Ehh forget it, looks like everyone else has decided to ignore you which was the smart move. Begone troll.
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"but you seem oddly concerned with what you perceive as maturity and depth of character"
and that's why I got out of this conversation
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@Cryogenix
You're gay shut up.
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@Cryo you are awesome. The level of troll you are at right now is very high. I can't believe all of you are actually trying to breakdown this an debate. Tho I am only adding to this but I don't care I rather watch this. This is just pure win on Cryo's part. Please continue 
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''I never seek out more mature music, I evolve, I'm a pokemon. I'm sad when people don't evolve, I'm even sadder when bands don't evolve.''
LMAO just win all over it.
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