Album Rating: 4.5

holy walls of text

Album Rating: 4.5

@ RiffOClock- Aha, yeah I didn't do a very good job at describing that. I don't know, it's strange. Check out "Perpetual Black Second" for an example. The philisophical lyrics and strange timing somehow makes it all the more brutal, as opposed to Cannibal Corpse that is just brutal for the sake of being brutal.

Album Rating: 4.5

riff doesnt like meshuggah so dont bother

Album Rating: 4.5

Then what do you like, Riff? You have no ratings so I can't tell.

Album Rating: 2.0

@ MetallicOpeth



a) Variety wouldn't matter if the bands' main attribute would be something other than technicality. Were they for example a doom metal band variety wouldn't be nearly as much an issue. The problem lies in the fact that most doom metal bands have more variety, go figure. This is one of the main reasons (and boy are there many) I personally claim black metal is complete and utter shit. I agree Periphery lacks coherence at times but not as much as you claim they do. And when they don't lack coherence at all they start to sound boring...since well...both bands rely on their technicality. Periphery at least tries to implement some emotions....songs like Light, Ow My Feelings etc...and what a welcome variety it is. Less is more only when less speaks more and that's exactly the opposite of what Meshuggah does. From their lyrics (dictionary) to their egos they certainly don't strive for less because they're minimalists but because they lack ideas. To prove this I'll just mention the fact they prolong one riff endlessly and even make a complete song out of it. Seeing as they go for technicality they reached their maximum on "33" and "nothing," and not only when it comes to technicality but also diversity. Periphery might run out of ideas (though they already have 3 albums ready to be released) but writers with just 3 ingenious books in their opus have always been better than writers who release new shit every year similar to previous crap. Take Stephen King for example. Just because a certain guy wrote the first book doesn't mean he was and will always be the best writer in existence. It really doesn't matter who down-tuned their guitar first, Periphery just does a better job.

b) Nice melodies and clean singing tends to be more gentle than growling/screaming and "brootal" riffs thus it's clear what actually rips your ears off. It's true Meshuggah is for rage and anger...but when your favourite band incorporates rage and anger which are not only the most basic and primitive emotions but also the most negative then you have to rethink a thing or two about why they are your favourite band.

c) I prefer no vocals...but if there have to be vocals I want to hear a lyric soprano or at least someone who doesn't sound like they want to eat my baby. Screaming/growling can be entertaining but certainly not an entire song, album or for fucks sake discography.

d) One minute mediocre closure of a single song doesn't nearly cut it. Hell I'd take Helio Vice any day.



Thank you for your comment. It was a breeze of fresh air.

Album Rating: 4.0

"riff doesnt like meshuggah"

The irony in that sentence is too damn high. Because Meshuggah's riffs are just aww yeah.

tl;dr go home faggot

Album Rating: 4.5

"It's true Meshuggah is for rage and anger...but when your favourite band incorporates rage and anger which are not only the most basic and primitive emotions but also the most negative then you have to rethink a thing or two about why they are your favourite band."



Why is that? yea its the most basic and primitive of emotions because you know what there's more in the world to be mad about than there is to be happy about...for ALOT of people. the world isn't all sunshine and happiness, aside from the most privileged people the world is quite an awful place. I'm not saying I'm a total pessimist, I just find that comment total bullshit.



for the rest of it, yea your points are fine, but you seem to be bent on this whole emotions thing, Meshuggah delivers what they promise, complete and utter chaos



but I mainly listen for the endless grooves and headbangage so

Album Rating: 4.5

@Cyrogenix, a lot of your post just makes it sounds like you're not terribly into metal, which is fine. "When your favorite band incorporates rage and anger which are not only the most basic and primitive emotions but also the most negative then you have to rethink a thing or two about why they are your favorite band." Definitely more of an attack on the genre of music than Meshuggah themselves, which is an entirely different argument. That's like saying if your favorite movie is a gory horror film then you have problems in real life, which just isn't true. I also disagree with you that Meshuggah's main goal is technical greatness. I think that the technical stuff is necessary to create their odd sound, but I think it's much more about trying to be an anomaly in metal and finding their own voice than anything else.

it isn't really harder to show happiness in music than anger.

Album Rating: 4.5

"Less is more only when less speaks more and that's exactly the opposite of what Meshuggah does."



totally disagree, but oh well good arguing I'm done here

Album Rating: 4.5

@MetallicOpeth-I listen to Meshuggah for headbangs and grooves also, but I think they have much more to offer than that. Their lyrical content is among the most interesting in metal, and their voice/sound in general is just so goddamn unique. Not many bands that I know about strive for what Meshuggah strives for.

Album Rating: 4.5

agreed m/



C33's lyrics in particular are amazing. Haake's even admitted he uses a thesaurus all the time, still gets the message across regardless.

Album Rating: 2.0

@D41V30N



Great, you have access to wikipedia...so have I. Meshuggah isn't the only band that utilizes those gimmicks and those gimmicks certainly don't contribute to the depth of their music....their technicality and virtuosity sure but not depth. That said, I don't see how this is an issue, I never said they aren't technical. They lack variety and no gimmicks change that. I don't know how strong those riffs are, I don't intend to have a fight with them. Whether they're forgettable or not is a matter of opinion though I'd be willing to bet most people would be able to distinguish more Periphery songs than Meshuggah songs.



Nothing Periphery does is improvisation...that said some people consider music as an art form to be improvisation in itself.



These songs aren't colossal let alone complex. When it comes to technicality, if a band relies on it than the more variety the more technical you are. That said, technicality without depth is shit...I might as well listen to Psyopus for that matter.



Repetition is viable only when invoking strong emotions which technical bands do not.



Don't worry I don't listen to them on my pc speakers.



As for your last comment...that's exactly what teenagers find are fascinated by nowadays which is sad beyond explanation.



@DarkSideOfLucca



They can't be excused for the lack of emotions, one can combine both. There is no philosophical lyrics to speak of though. They may sound deep to you now but trust me after you read a few or more books you'll see how they're simply words jumbled together from a dictionary in order to sound smart, serious and "brootal." Like I said it's basically the poetry of any 15 year old goth.



Brutality is there for the teens or people still in their teens despite their actual age. I've seen 40 year olds dressed entirely in black with tattoos and chains on them going to concerts with beer in their hands. Do I have to say more than just describe how the look?



What intellect? They haven't shown an ounce of intelligence other than being technical.



I don't listen to Floyd anymore...at all.



Well, your love for them is a bit off considering your age...but what the hell.

Album Rating: 4.5

That groove that happens in the middle of Demiurge just wow.....one of the greatest riffs I have ever heard.

Album Rating: 4.5

Yea a little overhyped but still a great album nonetheless. Nothing an Catch 33 are still their best to me though.

Album Rating: 4.5

"They can't be excused for their lack of emotions, one can combine both."

Yes, but they don't want to.



Still disagree with you on brutality being for teens, as well as their lyrics not being thought provoking. I don't think one can read the lyrics to In Death is Life/Death and consider them to be the equivalent of what a 15 year old goth would write. Unless of course that 15 year old goth was an especially incredible writer.



And I don't think it's terribly unusual for a man in his 20's to still be listening to metal. Hell, most of the concerts I go to are filled with people my age rather than teens.

Album Rating: 2.0

@MetallicOpeth

The world is even worse than that and I generally am a misanthrope. However, there’s a reason my favourite song of all times is Breathturn by Hammock, and my favourite band of all times is Hammock. I used to go for brutality, then technicality…and at the end of the road lay Nirvana (not the band) which I found in exactly the music Hammock makes. Because of this shift in mindset and pretty much everything else I opt for emotions…that which is deepest in any form of art and that which I despised in my teens. Its true Meshuggah is there for grooves but only a few songs provide that since they’re too busy being emo/goth with their needless “horror” slow mo songs and their 15 year old emo poetry lyrics. That’s why I generally like instrumental Periphery more.

I hate complete and utter chaos, I’ve got enough of it in the real world and it is generally more superficial.

You might disagree but provide arguments to back it up.

@DarkSideOfLucca

What you like and don’t like tells amazingly much about you. For example, I detest gory horror movies but I’m in love with psychological horror movies and games. For instance, my favourite horror media is Amnesia: The Dark Descent. As such, the music you like, love or consider to be the music available also speaks volumes.

If they want to be the oddest band then I can name porngrind, porncore or whatever those genres are which do a much better job. Technicality wise and odd wise Psyopus beat them. Whatever are they about?

I can cure the world of all diseases but I don't want to...pHlease.

As for the lyrics...read last sentence.

There are many types and kinds of metal. It is not unusual to listen to certain bands and types of music, it's immature.

@Funeralopolis

Happiness is the least used emotion in art for a reason. Depression, anger and fear the most used emotions.

On a side note:

“Haake's even admitted he uses a thesaurus all the time”

Now I’ve lost almost every respect I ever had for them. There’s no words to describe how wrong that is.

Album Rating: 4.5

Actually, I prefer classic horror movies such as Rosemary's Baby, Psycho, etc. All I'm saying is that if someone were to prefer an excessively gory film, that doesn't directly reflect who they are as a person. That is just artistic preference. I grew up with metal (and horror). My brother who is seven years older than me showed me Metallica and Slayer when I was in Elementary School (and consequently, got all of my friends into it) and I've been attatched to the genre ever since. I like to think that I lean towards the more intellectual/experimental side of metal such as my five favorite bands that I've mentioned earlier (Gojira,Tool,Meshggah,Death,SYL), so I don't think it's really fair to assume anything about my psychology for prefering a genre of music as vague as 'metal'. Psyopus is odd, but they are simply not as mature sounding as Meshuggah and their lyrics are so immature it's disturbing.

Album Rating: 4.0

"Meshuggah isn't the only band that utilizes those gimmicks and those gimmicks certainly don't contribute to the depth of their music....their technicality and virtuosity sure but not depth."

Of course, they do -_-". The cross-rhythms are very evident in their songs and it makes the songs that much more fun. And no, it does not only display their technicality or virtuosity, it makes their songs more fun as well, because - at these moments - maybe all the members will be playing something at different rhythms, but they compliment each other extremely well, finally forming a very powerful song structure. Besides, it depends on what YOU are referring to by musical depth. You might not take it to be a "powerful structure" because your idea of "musical depth" is different from mine.

Everyone has their own different ideas about what "musical depth" refers to. You were talking about... what... "emotions". Well, the only emotions present aren't "I'm happy" or "I'm depressed". There's an emotion called "come here, I'll rip your face apart" as well. Maybe you don't like that particular emotion. Ironically, Meshuggah does that really well, but you won't understand.



And what about the eerie guitar solos in Meshuggah? And the atmosphere in Meshuggah's songs? Are you going to say they don't stir any emotions as well? Sure, I'll agree with you about Jens' vocals. I personally think that Meshuggah should change their vocalist; he's painstakingly monotone and like you said, he sings in only one octave. But I'll have to disagree about the others.



"Repetition is viable only when invoking strong emotions which technical bands do not."

What the hell is with you and "emotions"? Are you some 16 year old girl or something? Is it obligatory for music to have emotions all the time? FUCKING NO!



And do get some quality speakers, if you can. Meshuggah has a beastly rhythm section.



Listen, you don't like the particular style of music. So all you have to do is not comment over here. Why would you consistently try to force your beliefs on to others? It's like being a terrorist to preach religion. Stop it. GTFO.