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Album Rating: 4.5

Meshuggah just has more balls, are more heavy and make you want to kill someone, all the while being soo incredibly groovy. Periphery is the musical equivalent of nails on a chalk board. Yea they have some good riffs (their instrumental version is decent) but the vocals really do kill it.

Album Rating: 4.5

"Also, does anyone know how I can get a picture under my username like all you cool cats? Can't quite figure out how to do that. Damn you, technology!"



you have to go into the actual forums, sign in and edit your account



you can't do it from this part of sputnik

Album Rating: 4.5

I LOVE Meshuggah but I really don't like djent. Is that weird?

Album Rating: 4.5

Thanks, MetallicOpeth

nah cus meshuggah is real good djent

Album Rating: 2.0

@DarkSideOfLucca



Considering you would love to suck Maynard's dick I shouldn't even respond, but I'm bored enough to do so anyway.



If you call atmosphere the few seconds of intro for songs like Break Those Bones and Demiurge than what do you call those minutes of intermezzo between every Periphery song? To speak about any other kind of atmosphere is ridiculous. Both bands do not rely on atmosphere...this isn't ethereal darkwave mind you...and unless you've inhaled a joint the only atmosphere you'll yourself create is the dandruff falling out of your hair while you're headbanging.



Lyrical talent is something you shouldn't mention. While it doesn't matter how old you are I'm sure you're not old or willing enough to have read more than ten books. Meshuggah's lyrics are like a dictionary, meaningless without context and boring without meaning. While I'm sure you'll claim to be Moses and understand Haake's world (or whoever writes the lyrics) and how you've discovered the theory of everything in those jumbled words rest assure that a few people out there who actually know a thing or two about literature in general are laughing out loud. Contrived and horribly pathetic, the lyrics are like any bad poetry 15 year old lovelorn gothic/emo girls put together whilst thinking of how the world doesn't understand them. The lyrics of Periphery are much simpler whilst saying more. Compare Do Not Look Down to Light or Icarus Lives for example. DNLD is mediocre at best (still the best lyrics on the album) because while not being a yelled out dictionary it is a single simple topic stretched out into infinity. Light and Icarus Lives aren't as good as for example the lyrics of As I lay Dying's last album but they both tell a story, with a beginning and end, have a premise and prove a point (or want to do so), and just aren't dictionaries in that they don't need to prove how "brootal" they are in order to sound more mature since Misha probably knows he'd achieve the opposite.



The vocalist is irritating, I'll give you that, but not more irritating than the vocalist of Meshuggah is. Why? Because he actually can utter something which doesn't sound like a bowel movement. You might argue that screaming and growling requires practice I assure you it's less demanding than actually singing. That said I prefer instrumentals all together...but that's a different topic.



Why anyone aged 20 or above (which I'm sure you're not...at least I hope you aren't) would listen to Meshuggah in a serious manner and not just to headbang for a few minutes is beyond me.

Album Rating: 3.5

""shut the fuck up"

"get the fuck off this site"



I remember Hitler saying something similar to the Jews just before WW2."





uhhhh i dont think i remember that particular quote

Album Rating: 4.5

I view them more as experimental metal, like Strapping Young Lad and Neurosis and whatnot. I didn't even know what djent was until a few months before Koloss came out and I've been following Meshuggah since Nothing came out. I guess now it just seems so random to me that everyone would try and make a genre out of them, as much as I love them. Djent also isn't a very catchy term for a subgenre, as lame as a complaint as that is.

Album Rating: 2.0

@MetallicOpeth



I've yet to understand what "heavy music" constitutes. Both bands have grooves but that's not important.



Their instrumental version is better than Meshuggah's entire discography since: a) more variety on a single LP than an entire discography, b) more clear tunes and less unnecessary noise, c) no vocals obviously, d) a sparkle of emotions here and there, something Meshuggah completely lacks... etc.



Yep, the vocals are mostly bad, though on some songs the clean parts are very enjoyable...like On Captain for example. Still, one has the option of the instrumental version which unfortunately Meshuggah can't provide...probably because one would notice how boring and repetitive their riffs sound.

Album Rating: 4.5

^ Meshuggah isn't really trying to convey emotion in their music, which is why they're not for everyone. They have a much more menacing, mechanical, deathly sound which makes them unique IMO. This also goes with your complaint on variety. I personally think they have a ton of variety in that they achieve intellectual brutality through grooves, ambience, thrash, etc etc. It's just that their signature sound is just so out there that their variety is sometimes difficult to see. I don't know what to say about your view on their riffs being repetitive as that is kind of the point, but I think they do a pretty good job at creating solid and creative riffs for new repetition (if that makes any sense), for example see "I". I personally love Jens vocals btw, I think his style totally fits the sound they are going for and I don't know what other vocalist in metal would be able to achieve that intense mechanized feel as accurately.

Album Rating: 4.5

Also, apologies if I often come off as fanboyish for: Meshuggah, Death, Strapping Young Lad, Tool or Gojira. I usually try to be very levelheaded about music, but for those five bands I simply can't seem to help myself. Especially Meshuggah and Tool-kind of violently obsessed. But who doesn't have bands like that?

Album Rating: 1.0

gay

u dont listen to shuggah for emoshun

u listen for junz

Album Rating: 4.5

junz?

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

well this thread went places

Album Rating: 2.0

@DarkSideOfLucca



It once made them unique, nowadays not as much. They do lack emotions but saying they weren't opting for them in the first place isn't an excuse. It's hard to combine a menacing sound with emotions but I believe certain doom metal and most post metal bands do it tremendously. That said, emotions are more important than having a menacing sounds because the latter whilst being groovy at starts tends to be forgettable. But that's just my opinion, you might prefer something else.



There's no such thing as intellectual brutality. Not only is it an oxymoron but "brutality" in itself is sought after in music only by teenagers with a lot of rage build up inside.



The reviewer said it himself. They're extremely repetitive and that's a fact. There are nuances here and there but there's a reason you need to listen to an album a dozen times in order to be able to distinguish tracks. The tracks themselves are also utterly repetitive with a single tune stretched out endlessly. Other genres can get away with this because they opt for emotions, since Meshuggah doesn't they cannot.



"I," and "33" and to a point "nothing" are their best works in that they offer much more diversity...not nearly enough though.



His vocals are entirely identical on every track with no diversity whatsoever, no clean vocals and not even two octaves to mention.



I used to be a fanboy myself back in my teens...just trade Meshuggah and Tool for Pink Floyd. You'll grow out of it eventually...or not, as many fans have shown these previous posts. And trust me, other than the dick sucking you're not nearly as much a fanboy as some other people on this thread are...stooping down to amazingly low levels because someone said something about their favourite band they cut their wrists for.

Album Rating: 4.5

"Their instrumental version is better than Meshuggah's entire discography since: a) more variety on a single LP than an entire discography, b) more clear tunes and less unnecessary noise, c) no vocals obviously, d) a sparkle of emotions here and there, something Meshuggah completely lacks... etc."



a) just because its more varied doesn't mean its better, at all, that's like saying one band sweeps more than the other thus its better. periphery take too many ideas and slap them all together, it just feels jumbled and full of wank (all new materials for example). It's the classic less is more in terms of Meshuggah and in doing that, it allowed them to develop their sound from album to album. I'll give Periphery another album or 2 before they start REALLY running out of ideas and just rehash everything. I also find the instrumentation feels a lot more natural coming from meshuggah than all these bands that were like "oh man let's down tune like them and play chugs!!". their sound just hits harder and is more effective than these bands using it as a gimmick.

b) if by clear tunes you mean nice melodies and clean singing, well yea that's cause meshuggah choose to rip your ears off not caress them. There are bands I listen to for certain emotions I guess, and when it comes to straight up rage and anger, that's what meshuggah are putting forward. Different music provides different emotions obvs.

c) no comment since I prefer jens to spencer anyways

d) have you not heard straws pulled at random?

Album Rating: 4.0

@ Cryogenix



Ever heard of something known as Polyrhythms? Or Syncopation? You need to get your ears fixed. And Periphery's one album has more riffs than the entire Meshuggah discography? Too bad they're forgettable and not nearly as strong as Meshuggah riffs.



Periphery has too much going on in there record; there are many improvisations here and there, and they are mostly shit and forgettable. Meshuggah repeats? So what? They write these colossal complex pieces that sometimes it's only fair to repeat. It does get boring sometimes, but "repeating" certainly can make a certain part of a song that much more memorable, if the part is strong enough. Most of the times, they are strong.



And if you really want to compare their music, why don't you try comparing their music with better speakers? The rhythm section of most of Meshuggah will literally blow you away in louder speakers.



And I'll have to agree with "DarkSideOfLucca" there. They're not here to convey emotion. They're here to grab your face and throw it into a concrete wall at a speed of 420133769 mph.

Album Rating: 4.5

For bands that combine brutality with emotion I listen to bands like Opeth, My Dying Bride, etc. I know I said this in my previous post, but this isn't exactly what they're going for. And I wasn't meaning to excuse them for their lack of emotion, rather explain that they are a band that opts to achieve a very strange, machine-like sound that compliments their philisophical lyrics rather than emotional. You are right though, it all comes down to preference.



Agree to disagree about their being minor differences between the songs on Koloss, I noticed them immedietly. First song very groove based, Demons name was a much faster, more intense song, Behind the Sun was a slow building atmosphere piece, etc etc. I do agree about "I", "Catch 33" and "Nothing" being the best they have to offer, though I'd personally put this in right there with it.



I disagree about brutality only being there for the teens though. I am in my twenties and know many people who are my age and a little older (early thirties) who seek out brutality in music because it is their preference, not because they are rage-filled teens. What I meant by intellectual brutality is that their intensity also stems from their intelect. Kind of difficult to explain.



I do love Pink Floyd, they're probably in my top ten. And thank you for the reassurance aha, I often worry that my love for these guys comes off as me worshiping them.