Album Rating: 5.0

Cotton the entire thing about statutes of limitations is exactly what you're talking about with regard to how long something can be in the past before you are criminally/civilly no longer able to be held legally liable.



Doesn't apply to extra-judicial means (e.g. boycotts) or apologies though, obviously.

Album Rating: 5.0

Also I have no idea what the s.o.l. is for sexting a 15 y.o. or what jurisdiction would even be proper.

so then butt's comment about how he's right to not admit to it makes even less sense

Album Rating: 5.0

Depends on the details of the statute.

Album Rating: 5.0

Also cops defer to the victims many times about whether or not to even pursue charges in the first place.

It isn't about punishment and recrimination, or some childish sense spending enough time in the doghouse to return to being an artist. It is about acting like a fucking adult and taking some sense of public responsibility. Jesse Lacey is not your best friend (ridiculous analogy), he's a public figure and role model; these allegations are a part of his public image and - crucially - they are cogent with themes that have always run throughout his work and shaped the way he's viewed as a role model. The relation between those actions and the psychology/explicit details *is* and will always be a major part of the band's legacy and the suggestion that this can be packaged into fan closure through the language of PR is ludicrously shallow.

If the band wants to change their legacy in any meaningful way, they need to address at least the allegations, but also perhaps they way those are just one part of a wider culture that their early work fed into, in meaningful terms. The blowback for Lacey's personal sphere that butt suggested is part of why this will probably never happen. If this does not happen and they release new or old work regardless, you would have to make an active choice to disregard how the elephant in the room hangs over it. If they halfarse it via the PR guilty-fan service Sowing described, that elephant will just look larger to everyone else.

I don't personally care whether or not any new material appears or whether or not people still enjoy this music (hell, I still do), but it's ridiculous that we are still playing this suspense-of-disbelief game making excuses for a man who, ultimately, actively monumentally failed to make his own.

Heavily enjoying reich imitating Baseline's circuitous parody of his own voice here

Huh, I guess outside of music you actually have good takes

yeah what Johnny said

I hope Brand New releases music in the future. But there's a difference between "Separating the Artist from the Art" and pretending they never did anything wrong in the first place so you can listen in comfort.

Album Rating: 1.5 | Sound Off

The person in question will be judged when they die. In my view they have destroyed a young life and therefor deserve no mercy in whatever may come their way in life.

I read into the details of it today and it’s actually way worse than I initially thought

Album Rating: 4.5

American beauty is still a great movie tho

DEFINITELY still fits the Kevin Spacey character arc

Album Rating: 5.0

Now that was wild.



"Sir, you've been accused of multiple sexual assaults."



- "I've decided to live my life as a gay man."



???

Album Rating: 4.5

I sorta did the same thing minus the sexual assault rather I was the one who was assulted

Album Rating: 4.5

Oh for sure man thanks all bad things seem to open doors to better things

Just how Jesse likes em, Brand New

How many thousand times hsd that joke been made so far? I've somehow mostly avoided this thread and the news article.

“Hide Your Daughters!” - Jesse Spacey

Album Rating: 2.0

Listened to this one again and yeah...like some poster awhile back said. Seems like going to a grocery store while John Smith is breathing down your kneck. Kind of an uncomfortable listen in all the wrong reasons.

Lit Me Up is still a 5-star opener.

Album Rating: 5.0

"I love that a site moderator can post two paragraphs deliberately framing Jesse Lacey's abuse of responsibility and sexual misconduct as a PR problem and inconvenience to fans' perceptions of the Brand New narrative"

"If they halfarse it via the PR guilty-fan service Sowing described"



Ah, shit. I didn't mean to come across this way - certainly it's not merely a PR issue, and obviously no charity could undo or even lessen what's been done. I was looking at it from the perspective of a band like Pinegrove, which basically did what I described. Granted, the offenses of the bands' frontmen are not comparable, so it was probably a short-sighted suggestion on my part. Didn't feel the need for the upfront aggression and insinuation of malice, but I get the annoyance/perceived narrative-scripting. Like many fans who love their music, I just wish the guys would do something to own up to what happened (the FB 'apology' definitely doesn't count in my eyes) and try to give the victims closure. Regardless, I didn't mean to cause any offense, gaze over his transgressions in favor of the music, et al. My bad.