Album Rating: 3.5

I think this album is unfairly maligned. I can understand that a lot of people were disappointed that this wasn't the angry, socially aware Eminem of the first three albums, and that some of the subject matter is very polarizing, but the rhyming and most of the beats are top notch, and to me, it all comes across as honest self expression based on the state of mind he was in at the time. He did not try to force the music in a certain direction, like on the cheese-fest that was Recovery. It's an uneven album, but not at all awful.

yeah i think people are way too negative, something about hearing eminem for the first time is so overwhelming, that when you listen to an album like this its just not as impressive in that way, and you start focusing on him repeating subject matter... but all rappers repeat subject matter, and thats missing the point entirely, he is telling a story about his life, of course he is going to talk about the same stuff, but he evolves his story.

i slept on him for like a decade

and theres something about his lyrics that you can tell is 100% candid thats really relate-able

"...and you start focusing on him repeating subject matter... but all rappers repeat subject matter, and thats missing the point entirely, he is telling a story about his life, of course he is going to talk about the same stuff, but he evolves his story."

This is a damn excuse. Sure, he comes from a genuine place, but it's becoming more and more obvious over time that he's run out of things to talk about, and I'm fairly sure he's even mentioned it. His ability to come up with original subject matter is severely lacking, and he's beating a dead horse at this point. I'll give him honesty and self-awareness, but when nearly all of your ideas have been discussed on previous songs, you need to think outside the box a bit, and that doesn't seem like something he's truly able to do anymore. Expanding on ideas isn't the same as creating new ones

Album Rating: 3.0

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This.

It sounds to me like you'd rather listen to some fake Kanye West type shit where the artist brags about made up bullshit or raps about shit he knows nothing about to try to give his music some diversity in subject matter.

Eminem is too real for that bullshit. He's not trying to make overproduced faux-artistic trash, hes more interested in making the most clever raps possible, with insanely complicated rhyme structures, while STILL coherently telling HIS life story and how hes EVOLVED over the years. He makes rap for people who like rap, not beats, not hooks, rap.

Saying he has no new subject matter is just ridiculous, it sounds like you aren't even listening to his albums more than maybe one time, he went from being a complete pessimistic hostile psycho to a down-to-earth optimistic troll.

His story is really interesting story when you take it all together, and it has changed a lot, and the fact that you can't enjoy this great of a story and respect him for what he is, without him randomly making up shit for the sake of diversity, just shows you like fake commercial rap and not real emcee shit.

its annoying to me because I used to think exactly like you before I remembered to appreciate eminem you actually have to LISTEN to the lyrics, you cant just skim through his shit, theres so much non-lyrical rap today that I actually forgot how to listen to eminem, so did you

- "It sounds to me like you'd rather listen to some fake Kanye West type shit where the artist brags about made up bullshit or raps about shit he knows nothing about to try to give his music some diversity in subject matter."

Have you checked my ratings? Takes 20-25 seconds, approximately as much time as it took for you to think up and write this diatribe of dumbass

- "Eminem is too real for that bullshit. He's not trying to make overproduced faux-artistic trash, hes more interested in making the most clever raps possible, with insanely complicated rhyme structures, while STILL coherently telling HIS life story and how hes EVOLVED over the years. He makes rap for people who like rap, not beats, not hooks, rap."

As somebody who's been rapping for years, gained a local following, played shows and shit, I used to believe that writing "the most clever raps possible with insanely complicated rhyme structures" was what hip-hop was you know what fuck this it'll take me too damn long to tear this shit apart

- "Saying he has no new subject matter is just ridiculous, it sounds like you aren't even listening to his albums more than maybe one time, he went from being a complete pessimistic hostile psycho to a down-to-earth optimistic troll."

What I wrote was that "his ability to come up with original subject matter is severely lacking", not that "he has no new subject matter". Even then, you're overstating the progress he's made. Far too much of his current work is either in reference to his past, or him chasing it in some shape, form or fashion. Again, far too much, not all, just in case you try to stretch my words again.

- "His story is really interesting story when you take it all together, and it has changed a lot, and the fact that you can't enjoy this great of a story and respect him for what he is, without him randomly making up shit for the sake of diversity, just shows you like fake commercial rap and not real emcee shit."

Ima call you "Stansbread" from now on.

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As somebody who's been rapping for years, gained a local following, played shows and shit, I used to believe that writing "the most clever raps possible with insanely complicated rhyme structures" was what hip-hop was you know what fuck this it'll take me too damn long to tear this shit apart"

^lol


"Far too much of his current work is either in reference to his past, or him chasing it in some shape, form or fashion. "
same is true of any/every rap artist you have rated

exactly, people are acting like this fails in every way when really they just dont lke the accent and wont admit it

Album Rating: 3.0

No, it really does fail in almost everyway, Lambs.

except he raps better than anyone you listen to and puts more intelligence into one line than your favorite artists put in their entire catalog of lyrics

"puts more intelligence into one line than your favorite artists put in their entire catalog of lyrics"

You have to be a complete and utter dipshit to honestly believe this.

Album Rating: 3.0

Lambs, seriously bro. Opinions and all that, but you give him way too much credit.

Sput really needs some half-decent hip-hop heads, like, right now

because for the love of God we are slacking

nah his lyrics just go way over your guy's head because you are too busy listening to over produced lyrical-retards like kanye west so you've lost all appreciation for poetry/wordplay/rhyme structure in rap

theres a consensus among emcees than eminem is one of the greatest lyricists of all time

you rate a few rap albums in the last two weeks to get your hip hop pie chart up to a measly 25% and have the nerve to talk about needing more hip hop heads in the presence of a pie chart like mine

"nah his lyrics just go way over your guy's head because you are too busy listening to over produced lyrical-retards like kanye west so you've lost all appreciation for poetry/wordplay/rhyme structure in rap"

Aesop and El-P fan here, I can guarantee you that nothing is going "over my head". If anything, Em is more direct than most. There's nothing abstract, there's nothing to really decode, nothing too dense. It's not that we don't appreciate these things, it's that we don't put all our weight on them alone. Conceptual originality and execution go much farther than complex rhyme schemes/technicality, and poetry? Are you fucking kidding me? Em isn't even one of the most poetic lyricists in the mainstream, he has the subtlety of a fucking hammer to the face. No tasteful prose, no nothing, and there are plenty of rappers that have a better grasp on wordplay.

"theres a consensus among emcees than eminem is one of the greatest lyricists of all time"

We're not arguing that, we're arguing that he's a flawless lyricist, which you seem to think. Then again, you're the dumbass that believes pie charts mean something, which they don't.

There's always bound to be a nugget or two in Hillary threads

Album Rating: 4.0

jesus wall of text going on here the last two pages