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"Lol but once again, we're not talking about Liquid Swords, nor GZA. We're talking about Lil Wayne and how Gabe is as ignorant as it gets."

You mean "It only is relevant if it's about something I don't like or supports what I want it to"

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"You mean "It only is relevant if it's about something I don't like or supports what I want it to""



No, I mean we're on a Lil Wayne thread. Is that so hard to understand? Plus, this argument doesn't apply to me, as I've barely spent any time on the GZA thread to know what he's talking about.

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"He says the same thing every single song. Every line is a punchline rather than actually saying something that has some mirth. When he does get serious, it's a joke. His production is fantastic, but all it does is cover up how boring he is lyrically. He also bit off Drake's style when he realized how big it was going to get(listen to everything prior to Drake's signing, and then listen post-signing. You'll see what I mean). Lastly, none, and I repeat NONE, of his verses have anything to do with the hook. He stretches himself too thin and therefore is inconsistent. I've heard him rip it a few times, but he just continues to say the exact same thing/punchlines as his other songs.'



He usually raps about the same subjects, but that's not really a crucial point. And while he does do a lot of punchlines, a lot of it is also wordplay he just sneaks in and a lot of his appeal is his weird rhyme schemes that can go crazy. And idk about the hook thing but I've heard him say lyrics related to his hooks before, but my favorite songs of his don't even have hooks so I'm not sure.

"He says the same thing every single song. Every line is a punchline rather than actually saying something that has some mirth."

Since I was asking for a completely serious response, I don't know where your honest opinion ends and hyperbole begins. I suppose the question is: why is it important that he not be focused on punch lines? Can you admit that this is an issue of personal preference and not of the objective excellence of a rapper?

"When he does get serious, it's a joke."

It's vague statements like this that make it sound like you haven't done your homework. What does this mean? (Please don't respond to this with a simple restatement saying, "lol it means when he tries to be serious it sucks")

What is so boring about him? Is a rapper focused on punchlines necessarily boring? I mean in that other thread you're talking about how good Big L is. It sounds like you have an unreasonable bias towards the 90s (before you start, Big L is one of my favorite emcees and most of my favorites in the genre came out before the new millennium).

"Lastly, none, and I repeat NONE, of his verses have anything to do with the hook."

Not sure why this is a big deal. Wu-Tang has plenty of dumb hooks. What about ODB's hook on As High As Wu-Tang Get? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Again with the "says the same thing every song", the same criticism could be leveled at many artists I've never seen you criticize.

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"I suppose the question is: why is it important that he not be focused on punch lines? Can you admit that this is an issue of personal preference and not of the objective excellence of a rapper?"



Anyone can think of a punchline. Look at momma jokes. When someone makes a momma joke everyone groans. That's how I feel when Lil Wayne uses punchlines. I groan and say "I've heard you say that before in 18 other songs. Please try something new."



"What is so boring about him? Is a rapper focused on punchlines necessarily boring? I mean in that other thread you're talking about how good Big L is. It sounds like you have an unreasonable bias towards the 90s (before you start, Big L is one of my favorite emcees and most of my favorites in the genre came out before the new millennium)."



That's not true at all, since 3 out of my 4 favorite hip hop albums came out after the turn of the millenium.



"Not sure why this is a big deal. Wu-Tang has plenty of dumb hooks"



That's definitely not a good example.



"What about ODB's hook on As High As Wu-Tang Get? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?"



Yes, but I can more easily forgive an emcee when he doesn't say the same fucking thing every song.



"Again with the "says the same thing every song", the same criticism could be leveled at many artists I've never seen you criticize."



Enlighten me, please.

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Big L uses punchlines constantly, tho.

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"Big L uses punchlines constantly, tho."



Yeah, but he actually SAYS something, and he doesn't constantly use the same ones in every song.

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Neither does Lil Wayne, beyond the three "fuck the world"/"life is a bitch"/"I'm the shit" puns that I've seen him use in more than one song. And what do you consider "saying something", just maybe noting that life is tough in the hood?

Okay so let's go with the example and tell me, why is Big L above this? That's my response to most of your post. If you're not biased towards older music, then why is Big L above the criticism of punchline rappers?

and how is Wu-Tang not a good example? Because it proves that your hook point was just stupid?

Lil Wayne isn't any more repetitive than any other rapper in terms of subject matter. Yes, he does repeat lines, and that is a legitimate criticism. That doesn't immediately make him shit. Like I don't see where your point is coming from about saying the same thing every song. He really doesn't. You formed opinions about him before giving him a chance and now you're trying to back them up.

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Really? That Guy With the Glasses? You're better than that andcas.

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"Neither does Lil Wayne, beyond the three "fuck the world"/"life is a bitch"/"I'm the shit" puns that I've seen him use in more than one song. "



Please find me one Lil Wayne song where he doesn't repeat a punchline from any other song and I'll leave Sputnik for good.



"And what do you consider "saying something", just maybe noting that life is tough in the hood?"



Or maybe that's it's time to rise up and stop killing each other. Or maybe something political. Or maybe something that I can relate to, other than "OH I GOT MONEY CARS HOS OH NO SLAP IT SPREAD THAT PUSSY BOUNCE THAT ASS"

"Or maybe that's it's time to rise up and stop killing each other. Or maybe something political. Or maybe something that I can relate to, other than "OH I GOT MONEY CARS HOS OH NO SLAP IT SPREAD THAT PUSSY BOUNCE THAT ASS""

Except that this isn't Lil Wayne

"Please find me one Lil Wayne song where he doesn't repeat a punchline from any other song and I'll leave Sputnik for good."

http://www.metrolyrics.com/fly-in-lyrics-lil-wayne.html

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"Or maybe that's it's time to rise up and stop killing each other. Or maybe something political. Or maybe something that I can relate to, other than "OH I GOT MONEY CARS HOS OH NO SLAP IT SPREAD THAT PUSSY BOUNCE THAT ASS""

...you only think a rapper is good if they're conscious...

hm...

Big L talks about killing people all the time, killing cops, fucking bitches, etc.



and just off the very top of my head, the lastest Lil Wayne song I listened to, Black Republican.

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"Okay so let's go with the example and tell me, why is Big L above this? That's my response to most of your post. If you're not biased towards older music, then why is Big L above the criticism of punchline rappers?"



I'm not going to repeat myself again. Read the other posts. It's not that hard.



"and how is Wu-Tang not a good example? Because it proves that your hook point was just stupid?"



No, because Wu-Tang doesn't use all that many huge hooks, unlike Weezy, where every song has a huge hook in it. There is a difference, believe it or not.



"Lil Wayne isn't any more repetitive than any other rapper in terms of subject matter"









Really? The only thing I hear most of the other "greats" use over and over is a call sign, and that's it.





"That doesn't immediately make him shit"



No, his lack of creativity does.



"Like I don't see where your point is coming from about saying the same thing every song. "



Really? Because I proved that idea wrong by googling one of his more famous phrases. WHy don't you do that or read more than the last 2 pages?



" You formed opinions about him before giving him a chance and now you're trying to back them up."



Lol how do you know I didn't give him a chance? Lol, how do you know I didn't listen to him when he first popped off in the 90's? Make more assumptions, please.

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"...you only think a rapper is good if they're conscious..."



Once again, more assumptions.



"Big L talks about killing people all the time, killing cops, fucking bitches, etc."



He does. But he also has songs about getting out of the hood and becoming a better contributor to society.

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Also, your saying a rapper is only good if they rap about dumb conscious shit is more of a personal preference than an actual reason why a rapper who'd rap about anything different is shitty.

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"Also, your saying a rapper is only good if they rap about dumb conscious shit is more of a personal preference than an actual reason why a rapper who'd rap about anything different is shitty."



Once again, where did I say that?

Ok please get the fuck out of here are you seriously trying to talk about how Big L was positive fucking MC. Like honestly this is just ridiculous, I know you aren't that stupid. You absolutely can not be fucking serious. If you typed that with out any thought that "maybe I'm typing complete bullshit right now" then you're not even worth arguing with. Incredible, I'm still recoiling at the fucking audacity of that comment. Becoming a better fucking contributor to society, fucking amazing.

lets just agree that Goodie Mob is better than Lil' Wayne and leave it at that