Good argument. Have you ever any of the songs I mentioned?

Battle of Evermore and When the Levee Breaks are the best (and only songs I care about listening to anymore) on this album.

Album Rating: 4.0

Good argument.

Have you ever any of the songs I mentioned?

Album Rating: 4.5

[quote=my esteemed colleague]Good argument. Have you ever any of the songs I mentioned?[/quote]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RksgRYzWay4



Yes- I've viewed this many times. John Entwistle is fine and dandy, but he reminds me of a lead guitarist who took up the bass.



John Paul simply has more taste. I'm not evening talking about that damned Lemmon Song- I mean the quietly subtle bass lines of Ramble On.

Album Rating: 5.0

Who negged it?

Ugh. I can't stand Robert Plant at all. However, the music is awesome, I've got to say.

Who's arguing? I was under the impression my comment was merely representing my opinion. How foolish of me.

John Paul simply has more taste. I'm not evening talking about that damned Lemmon Song- I mean the quietly subtle bass lines of Ramble On.

Album Rating: 4.0

Yea that was my mistake, see on the forums we actually discuss music instead of:



Person A: My Opinion



Person B: My Opinion>Yours



Person A: Lol NO

Plus I thought we were talking about the better overall bassist, not the best at "articulate phrasing", or whatever you call it. Entwistle is clearly superior in terms of technical ability, innovation and live performance. So make that 3-1.

Album Rating: 5.0

You probably shouldn't mess with Lunch about Classic Rock.

Right. Which, had you bothered to look for, you'd have seen me do for, oh say, the last three pages. Reiterating myself for your sake would've been redundant, and quite frankly, not worth my time. =(

Once more, opnions ftw. And as long as you're prattling on about innovation and overall talent, last I checked, Entwistle never proficiently tackled like ten different instruments. And as for all that "technical phrasing" mumbo jumbo, that tends to affect how a bassist is overall, yer know. So yeah. Good going.

You're a cocky fucker, aren't you?

Album Rating: 5.0

[QUOTE=]I've noticed Bron has a thing for defending LZ members when they're under fire on this site.

[/QUOTE]

His names Bron-Yr-Aur, who'd a thought.

haha you silly people and your opinions

Album Rating: 4.0

[quote=Iluvatar]edit: + I've noticed Bron has a thing for defending LZ members when they're under fire on this site.[/quote]

Not quite true. If you care to notice, I'm often someone who insults the individual members.

Actually looking back through the pages in this review, all you've really said is that JPJ is the superior musician because he plays more instruments and he is talented at all of them (something, if you'll care to notice, I never argued against).

Again, you've shown the excellent ability to read what I've actually posted. I never said Entwistle was the overall better musician, because I believe JPJ is. I was talking about the better bass playing. You next bring up another great point that techincal phrasing is part of bass playing. Thanks for that one, I didn't notice. Again if you would like to read my previous posts, you notice that I included this in my overall evaluation of Entwistle and JPJ (remember when I said 3-1? That 1 represents a point I gave JPJ based on his better "articulate phrasing"). I came in here, made my point, supported my opinions, nothing more. If you would read my posts you would understand this. I've made my point about Entwistle being the supperior BASSIST, and so far the only argument has been about JPJs better phrasing on Ramble On or other similar songs (again, something I agree with, and one of the reasons I respect JPJ so much). So if you define "cocky fucker" as making a well thought out point and brining my opinions to a review, then by all means I fit this definition.

Yea, my posts really look a lot like "omg Entwistle>>JPJ you suck".

Again, it looks as though you've failed to read or even consider anything I've said. I'm not even going to bother anymore. You like JPJ more, that's all fine and dandy. And you'll refuse to accept arguments contending that anyone else could possibly dethrone the all mighty John Paul Jones.This Message Edited On 09.26.06
This Message Edited On 09.26.06

Album Rating: 5.0

[QUOTE=]And Drunken Viking, uh... shut up. Seriously. My username has nothing to do with my belief that JPJ is better. [/QUOTE]

It's probably best you don't get sarcasm.

Album Rating: 4.0

Yea, my posts really look a lot like "omg Entwistle>>JPJ you suck".

It's probably best you don't get sarcasm.

Album Rating: 4.5

Well, I'd say that overall, John Paul Jones has a better musical sense of timing and placement- (as in "what to play", "when to play it", and "when to not try and outshine your guitarist".) The Ox does this, but not as effectively as John Paul.



Entwistle is faster, yes. Seemingly has more technique. And compared to the frowning immobile tower of John Paul, Entwistle has a superior stage presence. But when I define a great musician, "tasteful" is the core trait I consider. Much more than physical talent.



Good debate, though.



[quote=punkbass0327]Everyone knows who John Paul Harrison is...[/quote]



Pretty much, but I don't like to brag about it.This Message Edited On 09.26.06

Album Rating: 4.5

[quote=JPH]And compared to the frowning immobile tower of John Paul, Entwistle has a superior stage presence.[/quote]

Haha have you ever seen Entwistle live? Frowning immobile tower isn't too far off the mark. The thing is, the rest of The Who were going so crazy on the stage that if Entwistle wasn't there to ground them, they could've taken off



Personally, I think Entwistle is clearly the superior bassist, technically speaking. However, I can see where you're coming from with JPJ, I like his work too, and Zeppelin was never as bass-utilizing as The Who were. I mean, Zeppelin tended to focus a song around Jimmy Page and Robert Plant. Bonham got plenty of moments to shine as well. It's just with The Who, it was like they were all competing for the lead part in the song which translates to some of the loudest and yet most beautiful music. I like being able to really her the bass on a song, really hear what the bassist is contributing. When he can do it as well as Entwistle, it really adds a whole other level to the song. Just take a listen to Won't Get Fooled Again.

Well, Entwistle and Moon were more or less called upon to fill the lead instrumental slots in the Who, since Townshend was primarily a rhythm guitarist. In contrast, Jimmy Page wants the spotlight as much as possible. So in that way JPJ seems more "tasteful" because he plays in the background compared to Entwistle's lead basslines and fills.

Neither have much of a "stage presence" in the traditional sense. I like to watch Entwistle because of the way he plays, but that's just a preference I have. He doesn't move around or seem very interested in what's going on around him.

Entwistle does often play the lead role, but I've never heard that to an extent where it makes him tasteless. The Who's music calls for that and he delivered. When the music calls for him to sit in the background, he does that too (think about Baba O'Riley for example, he never outdoes any of the music; a similar thing can be said for numerous Who tracks).

Dude. I think John Paul is a better bassist for his technical skill, and the subtlties that he adds to each song.

Album Rating: 4.5

[quote=Lunch]Entwistle does often play the lead role, but I've never heard that to an extent where it makes him tasteless. [/quote]



Well, I've tried to be very careful here. I didn't want to go out of my way and say that Entwistle is tasteless. But honestly, I haven't been moved by a bass-line of his in the same way as, say, What is and Should Never Be did. I can see where the skill factor could be pointed to, yet I still get the impression of a guitar player from his work. John Paul, on the other hand, strikes me as somebody who is a natural bassist, even when deploying simplistic scales. And that's what I find most valuable.



Plus, I like John Paul's tone better.



[quote=PinkFreud]Why commend a bassist on being subtle? Are we praising Michael Anthony?[/quote]



Doesn't subtlety allow a musician to be dynamic?



But alas, I suspect these may be the closing arguments.