itt brostep back pedalling hard

agreed with kylemccluskey 100%

oops i mean 99.9%

Album Rating: 4.2

"but calling that entire history " 'hip-hop' as a culture" is certainly where we diverge."



fair, I guess that's kinda what I'm trying to say, thanks for keeping me accountable. changing the summary rn

Album Rating: 4.2

although idk since most of hip-hop draws from all the genres listed (sans maybe house, which Kay treats in a distinctly sample-heavy and breaky way) I feel less bad about tying it all under the hip-hop umbrella. there are ways of treating jazz and soul in ways which don't really tie into hip-hop all that much (see parts of Kamasi Washington and very vestigial parts of MJ) and I don't really think that's what Kay is doing here

Album Rating: 4.2

thanks for your excellent contributions as well potsy

Album Rating: 3.0

I definitely agree that hip-hop employs most of these genres (via sampling), but just because this incorporates them along with hip-hop doesn't necessarily make it hip-hop. rather, hip-hop is just one of the contributing genres that constitute it, albeit one of the most prominent.

Album Rating: 4.2

yeah, the sense I was going for in the review was "tinted with an undeniably hip-hop ethos" rather than strictly hip-hop but I def could have made that clearer at points and also focused less on calling it hip-hop outright (which I don't really do in the review)

"although idk since most of hip-hop draws from all the genres listed (sans maybe house, which Kay treats in a distinctly sample-heavy and breaky way) I feel less bad about tying it all under the hip-hop umbrella."

thats the opposite of the way it works rofl

if anything some hip hop falls under the jazz umbrella. not the other way around jesus.

house no.

"there are ways of treating jazz and soul in ways which don't really tie into hip-hop all that much (see parts of Kamasi Washington and very vestigial parts of MJ) "

uh yeah not to mention the like 8 decades of jazz and 4 decades of soul that preceded all hip hop

Album Rating: 4.2

well no shit. of course the 8 decades of jazz operates outside the realm of hip-hop, it'd be ludicrous to suggest coltrane could have time-travelled and then decided not to use his future influence on his present music. i'm cherry-picking a few examples from during/after the rise of hip-hop



"if anything some hip hop falls under the jazz umbrella. not the other way around jesus."



ok, I apologize - "although idk since some of hip-hop draws from all the genres listed (sans maybe house, which Kay treats in a distinctly sample-heavy and breaky way) I feel less bad about tying it all under the hip-hop umbrella." (and this is certainly included in that "some" in some tangential way at the very least)

Album Rating: 3.0

word, we're on the same page now; it's definitely a worthwhile idea. cheers man.

you missed my point tho that putting jazz soul and gospel under the hip hop umbrella is counter-intuitive considering hip hop was originally derived from those genres and not the other way around

Album Rating: 4.2

we're saying the exact same thing rn potsy, "hip-hop umbrella" encompasses its influences rather than tying them strictly to hip-hop. kinda like saying blues falls under the general "rock umbrella" since the latter draws heavily from the former

"well no shit. of course the 8 decades of jazz operates outside the realm of hip-hop, it'd be ludicrous to suggest coltrane could have time-travelled and then decided not to use his future influence on his present music. i'm cherry-picking a few examples from during/after the rise of hip-hop"

yeah but the large majority of jazz still isnt tied to hip hop. you could argue soul and hip hop are gradually becoming more and more inexorably linked but jazz and hip hop no not really. there are exceptions but for the most part that has always been mostly a one-sided relationship in which hip hop tied to jazz and not the other way around. and especially now, hip hop has for a long while been moving further and further away from jazz influence and more and more into drawing from various electronic subgenres.

"we're saying the exact same thing rn potsy, "hip-hop umbrella" encompasses its influences rather than tying them strictly to hip-hop. kinda like saying blues falls under the general "rock umbrella" since the latter draws heavily from the former"

no then that would be like saying rock falls under the blues umbrella.

Album Rating: 4.2

i'm pretty sure we're just arguing semantics atm and we agree on all counts

wait no you're right

saying blues falls under the rock umbrella is equally dumb

yeah unless you are holding the umbrella upside down my way is the way umbrella terms work tbh

Album Rating: 4.2

deepest apologies for misconstruing a comment which took two minutes to write and which I did not look over before publishing

be more defensive about it, you are staff and all.