Titan do you even Rage For Order

hard ocean

ok phew

i kind of see it in similar fashion to how i view Powerslave, great album obviously but perhaps a few weak points in the middle

I can understand that viewpoint but for me it's their best album. The keyboards and heavy mood make it really outstanding.

I actually prefer The Warning to Rage, especially from NM onward......the back end of that record is as good as anything they've ever done

Warning is really good yeah. Take Hold Of The Flame is the best song ever

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Ray Alder from FW is the same way now? Oh, I wouldn't go that far... dude he some pipes still, just doesn't go for the high notes anymore--which I never really thought suited the direction FW went with him anyway

'Take Hold Of The Flame is the best song ever'

their true trademark indeed

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--I don't think the post-grunge aesthetic has ever fit Geoff that well musically. Not sure why he pushes it so much.--

I think it's a combination of things. Mainly, I don't think he can sing like he used to and his ego won't allow him to admit it so he acts like this push to a modern sound was 100% planned. On the other hand, he's always trying to prove how much of an artist he is, and he probably couldn't handle sounding 'dated' anyway. You're right though, he's trying to hit a sound that he doesn't totally understand... and his modern technology lyrics always miss the mark. He might as well say that computers work by magic.

--That being said, I thought the production on QR's 2013 self-titled sucked.--

I didn't think it sucked, but it could have been better. QR's music benefits from that clean production.

--this is not a chill progressive rock record by any stretch of the imagination.--

I disagree. If Porcupine Tree, Riverside, Fates Warning... shit even The Gathering's older albums could be considered progressive rock. You're taking a narrow view of the genre, I think.

--Right on willie bro, when you have 14 other QR albums equal to or better than the EP and The Warning. Keep that Ryche flame burning baby.--

I do keep it burning and haven't trapped myself in 1984. Rage through Promised Land, plus the self-titled and even the newest one are all better than The Warning and the EP.

--Ray Alder from FW is the same way now? Oh, I wouldn't go that far... dude he some pipes still, just doesn't go for the high notes anymore--which I never really thought suited the direction FW went with him anyway--

He has said in interviews that he has probably lost some of his range due to age and smoking, but that he doesn't care because he doesn't want to sing like anymore anyway. He, at least, admits his voice isn't what it was. Geoff can't do that. I think Tate would get a lot less flack if he just said, 'I'm old. I drink wine, and I just can't do those vocals anymore.'.

Album Rating: 2.5

Wouldn't dare to compare the s/t LP to an album as massive and important as The Warning honestly, especially when it has monster tracks like Deliverance and Take Hold of the Flame. I can understand preferring Condition Human though, if the singles tell no lies that one will be a hell of an album.

'the self-titled and even the newest one are all better than The Warning and the EP.'

which validates my original point! you like toddryche better than classic Queensryche!......a true league of your own.

'I do keep it burning and haven't trapped myself in 1984.'

i'm eager to hear some new stuff, the tune Hellfire sounds decent, but the band hasn't touched that era (1984, you say) in terms of quality so why wouldn't i be stuck there?

in what way is The Warning particularly massive or important though? sure, it's fucking great, but they only really came into their own and developed their own style on the next album.

massive?........doesn't have to be

important?.......continued to lay the bands foundation and it has more than a handful of phenomenal songs such as NM, Take Hold, MADNESS, Before The Storm, Warning, and En Force

without The Warning, you wouldn't have the precious Rage

very ignorant comment Ocean, just saying

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I agree with Ocean... just saying. Of course, each album leads to the next. That only makes sense. That doesn't mean the lesser album should be held to higher esteem because it somehow laid the foundation for the future, better, album.



He used the word 'massive' because Sabrutin did. The Warning is a great album, but there is a lot left to be desired. Things that future albums delivered.

Album Rating: 2.5

The Warning is from 1984, I mean Fates Warning basically developed their sound over it.

'Of course, each album leads to the next. That only makes sense.'

no it doesn't

'That doesn't mean the lesser album should be held to higher esteem because it somehow laid the foundation for the future, better, album.'

not suggesting that at all, i'm sharing my personal perspective of it, and i don't get all bent when someone prefers Rage. i'm simply stating the importance of it.

'He used the word 'massive' because Sabrutin did.'

no kidding

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I understand, 'massive' was a questionable choice of a word, I used it thinking of the album's sound and structure. It has a lot more going on than the s/t. That may be subjective but w/e.

You are spot on Sabs, massive album in my book.....great point on Fates by the way

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There are those of us out there that don't like The Warning as much as you do. I personally almost never listen to it. It wasn't that important in the band's history. Each album is significantly different enough that none of them could really be referred to as the one that defined the band's sound. As far as importance goes, the best argument could be made for Mindcrime and Empire.

Each album is an extension of the next. Each is a learning experience for the band. They figure out what works and what doesn't or they go in the opposite direction of the previous release. There are a lot of ways that a previous release lays the foundation for the next. I can't believe I have to explain this...

I hear very little of The Warning in Fates Warning's first two albums and none after that. I hear a lot of Empire in Parallels and beyond, though.