Album Rating: 3.5

dude i thought he was you for the longest time, like an alt or something, so i was like wtf when he went on this massive tirade in my Colors review.

Album Rating: 3.0

hahahaha i always thought that it was Ire or Feit just trolling me, but apparently he's just a fan of me.

Album Rating: 3.5

you hate Colors dude he cant be your fan. whoever dislikes such an intricate, cohesive masterful feat of metal music must be shunned

Album Rating: 3.0

"I don't know what's better, qwe just calling people fucking retarded or when he actually proves his point."



you would think people would just be thankful that he calls them a retard rather than tearing them a new one

Album Rating: 3.5

dude making another account requires like, making a new email account n shit





ill just troll you on this account

Album Rating: 3.5

and yeah this is where they kinda just stfu and let it be

Album Rating: 2.0

"firstly experimentation is by definition bizzare, secondly it sounds like you think experimentation is inherently bad"



I wasn't saying that the experimentation was only bizarre on this album, I was just using the word "bizarre" to describe this particular album's experimentation. Perhaps the "bizarre" wasn't needed, then. I also did not mean to say that I think experimentation is inherently bad, that's why I specified that I didn't like how much this album tends to RELY on its experimentation. I never said that the album was bad JUST BECAUSE it experiments.



"no you can't. random time signature changes coupled with riffs that are just mashed together, occasionally bracketed by strange genre additions is not direction, nor is it good songwriting. when they expand on ideas or let them breathe is when btbam write great music. On Colors this happens very rarely."



This statement is wrong. And all the evidence I need is the album. The riffs are not just "mashed together," how you can even consider saying that is beyond me. And of course they expand the songs' ideas, how do you think the songs get so long? For each passage, the band wrote music that fit the corresponding lyric, the lyric being that passage's main idea. And then they elaborate on it musically by adding some riffs (that fit perfectly together), or by adding other things, like weird genre-hopping stuff that ALWAYS fits the mood of the passage in which it's placed.



"loooool. ok so you actually admit that some ideas are out of place. it's more than just a tad though."



No, by that I meant the ideas seem a tad out of place to you. But I guess I still should've refrained from saying it, considering the degree to which they seem out of place to you.



"also how do you know what the songs are trying to accomplish?"



You listen to the damn song. Like you do with any other song ever written in the history of music.

Album Rating: 2.0

"You say IN YOUR REVIEW that they rely on experimentation. But no, Pink Floyd never tried to be EXPERIMENTAL did they? oh wait. oops. huh"



But that's what I'm saying, that all the album does is boast about how experimental it is. Which isn't necessarily accomplishing anything, it's just saying "ooooh look how experimental I am." Making experimental music for the sake of being experimental is stupid, and don't even say that's what Colors does, because it doesn't. All of its strange genre juxtapositions are there for a reason, and they fit perfectly. They're NOT just there to be there.



"Treat each song as a song and not a piece of a larger whole and it makes a whole lot of sense. as an album yeah it's directionless, but each song has its own merit."



But that's why my other point in the review was that the songs themselves are really dull and unpleasant. But I guess that's the really subjective part.

Album Rating: 3.5

I never said that the album was bad JUST BECAUSE it experiments.

This statement is wrong.

The riffs are not just "mashed together," how you can even consider saying that is beyond me.

For each passage, the band wrote music that fit the corresponding lyric, the lyric being that passage's main idea. And then they elaborate on it musically by adding some riffs (that fit perfectly together), or by adding other things, like weird genre-hopping stuff that ALWAYS fits the mood of the passage in which it's placed.

You listen to the damn song. Like you do with any other song ever written in the history of music.

But that's what I'm saying, that all the album does is boast about how experimental it is. Which isn't necessarily accomplishing anything, it's just saying "ooooh look how experimental I am." Making experimental music for the sake of being experimental is stupid, and don't even say that's what Colors does, because it doesn't. All of its strange genre juxtapositions are there for a reason, and they fit perfectly. They're NOT just there to be there.

Album Rating: 3.5

hey guys i found this band that plays really fast mathy metalcore and puts ACCORDIONS in it!



THIS IS TRULY A MUSICAL INNOVATION 5/5



oh also the lyrics blow

Album Rating: 2.0

Okay, maybe "boastful" was the wrong word. But the point is, the album is experimental and THAT'S IT. There's no missions it's trying to accomplish with its experimentation, all it's doing is experimenting. And I do not like this.



"experimental music is BY DEFINITION made for the sake of being experimental. do you think people call it experimental music because its a cool word? haha cmon dude seriously?"



Okay, fine. But there's still plenty of experimental music out there that experiments for that reason, among others. Like trying to get a certain message across, or creating a mood that corresponds with a lyric, etc.



"btbam are not and have never been experimental."



don't even need to explain why this is dumb



""They're NOT just there to be there." oh shit well backed up guess thats me told"



Okay, take "Prequel to the Sequel." Does the accordion-y/polka/whatever part where he says "he noticed its walking seemed more staggered than normal" not add to to the eeriness of that passage, and the suspense it's supposed to build up before the next part ("TORN TO ITS LAST LIIIIFE!")? The lyrics fit perfectly with the style he's singing in, and with the instruments in the background. It all creates the feelings that that passage is supposed to have.

Okay, take "Prequel to the Sequel." Does the accordion-y/polka/whatever part where he says "he noticed its walking seemed more staggered than normal" not add to to the eeriness of that passage, and the suspense it's supposed to build up before the next part ("TORN TO ITS LAST LIIIIFE!")? The lyrics fit perfectly with the style he's singing in, and with the instruments in the background. It all creates the feelings that that passage is supposed to have.

"Okay, maybe "boastful" was the wrong word. But the point is, the album is experimental and THAT'S IT. There's no missions it's trying to accomplish with its experimentation, all it's doing is experimenting. And I do not like this."

that's where you're wrong

Album Rating: 2.0

"nope, it sounds idiotic and forced in the context of the song. i can't believe you're defending such a musically vacant passage."



Well, I guess that's just another thing we disagree on. But "musically vacant"? Come on, isn't that a little harsh?



"explain to me how and why btbam are experimental i dare you"



They're an experimental/progressive metal band because they experiment. They toy around with ideas and sounds that are normally far away from metal. That's how. Now why, well, that's what I've been saying this whole time. They use different musical influences to better express the ideas they're trying to get across in each song. There are many passages in Colors that would be not be represented as well had they been played in a metal format, rather than the different format they're played in.



"that's where you're wrong"



Elaborate.

Album Rating: 3.0

lol

Album Rating: 3.5

"Elaborate."



Experimentation's point is experimentation. If you know what experimentation means then it's obvious what the aim of the music is dude. It's using different sounds, different songwriting techniques and (where these guys were concerned) some different technologies to write music. Experimentation for the sake of experimentation is a truism.



Furthermore, PF's aim in this was to flesh out the individual's songwriting chops. In that regard it was experimental with a mission in mind if that's your problem with it.



"But "musically vacant"? Come on, isn't that a little harsh?"



nah, especially considering they can and have written better music than anything on colors. i mean i think prequel is one of the better songs on the album but jesus



"They're an experimental/progressive metal band because they experiment. They toy around with ideas and sounds that are normally far away from metal. That's how. Now why, well, that's what I've been saying this whole time. They use different musical influences to better express the ideas they're trying to get across in each song. There are many passages in Colors that would be not be represented as well had they been played in a metal format, rather than the different format they're played in."



it's been done before. mike patton's been doing it for ages. dream theater had the "progressive" (read: wankery) thing with the whole album as one song down eons before them as well.



I guess I don't see them as that innovative. I guess they're more experimental than say PTH or bands of that ilk, but yeah



"There are many passages in Colors that would be not be represented as well had they been played in a metal format"



how the fuck do you know this. they would be completely different passages if this were true. it's incomparable and a pretty baseless thing to say

lol (bringmea)brick stop being such a progmaster

Album Rating: 3.5

hes definitely more intelligent than progmaster thats mean bro!

laugh out loud

Album Rating: 2.0

Alright, you've explained the album's mission. I see that now. Although it's still a tiiiiiny bit vague, it's legitimate. It's still probably not gonna make me like the album any more though, considering I don't like how the vast majority of the album sounds anyway, which I said in the review.



"nah, especially considering they can and have written better music than anything on colors."



They've written different music than on Colors, but in my opinion, not better. Except maybe Selkies.



"it's been done before. mike patton's been doing it for ages. dream theater had the "progressive" (read: wankery) thing with the whole album as one song down eons before them as well."



Just because someone has done the TYPE of thing they're doing doesn't make them any less experimental. By that logic, that would mean Mike Patton wasn't experimenting simply because Pink Floyd did before him.



"how the fuck do you know this. they would be completely different passages if this were true. it's incomparable and a pretty baseless thing to say"



Well, yeah, they'd be different. And thus, wouldn't be represented as well.



And just for the record, the last thing I want to be is another progmaster, I'm just defending an album that I really love, that's all. I'll stop when anyone wants to lol