Album Rating: 4.0
i know and they all use the same instruments. that obviously means they sound exactly the same and the genre is stale and has no variety!
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I wasn't talking about mathcore, so don't bring Botch into this. I specifically said Metalcore, I know that Botch has certain metalcore tendencies but their arrangements are leagues ahead of ABR and MS. Converge is a good band, but they must be individually dissected before their music is understood because if you can hear what Bannon is saying then your lying. Which is another thing I mentioned before, the necessity of lyrical flow is non-existent. As for August Burns Red, I remember hearing their music blaring out of an iPod which was bursting out of some scene kids skinny jeans, and you already know what I think of Misery Signals.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Botch IS metalcore holy fuckin shit
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Botch is much more mathcore than metalcore, there's a huge difference in the way the music is written. You shouldn't compare a band to other bands when the initial band can run circles all day around the other bands.
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Album Rating: 4.0
I wasn't talking about mathcore, so don't bring Botch into this 1. botch is metalcore.
Converge is a good band, but they must be individually dissected before their music is understood because if you can hear what Bannon is saying then your lying
2. what does this have to do of your argument "all metalcore sounds the same and is a stale genre." i'd say if you have to individually dissect a band in a genre to fully understand it, that's a very unique sounding band therefore making the argument that it all sounds the same completely void.
Which is another thing I mentioned before, the necessity of lyrical flow is non-existent
3. if you only consider something that has a clear vocal or lyrical flow to be rhythmically non-existent, i'd advise you to open your mind a little.
As for August Burns Red, I remember hearing their music blaring out of an iPod which was bursting out of some scene kids skinny jeans
4. more than 300 elitists have heard of this band therefore it's void. that's what you just said. epic fucking fail.
and you already know what I think of Misery Signals.
5. you think it's generic because "every metalcore bands sounds the same." I just gave you four off the top of my head that don't sound anything alike.
Furthermore, I was hoping you'd put on an intelligent argument after faux-insulting everyone's intelligence that didn't want to argue with you because you're clearly too long gone to understand this.
What happened to defending your opinion. You basically just said "this is why I dont like these bands". So you don't like the bands. That doesn't make a genre stale, it just makes you a human being for having an objective taste.
Overall: gg bb
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I never said metalcore was stale, I said it was linear. There is a mammoth difference, what if I said all pop music was stale? It isn't, because it has superficial value. A 'stale genre' would mean that the entire genre is completely done, no new ideas exist anymore and it is rarely brought up in conversation.
Music should inspire thought and the desire to attain knowledge but in my opinion, music should not be building blocks. Like I said, when you use a vocal style that gives you the freedom to write absolutely anything and still stay within the realm of the genre's instrumental requirements it is a genre which simply isn't as creative as other ones, therefore it is more linear than other ones.
You don't need clean vocals to be rhythmic, but if you are screaming lyrics and the screams don't coincide with the given rhythm of the lyrics themselves (for example if you write a dense, poetic verse and you scream it out in a couple seconds) then your rhythm is artificially designed to sound like the guitars, drums, and bass, rather than designed to complement and at the same time, transcend the instruments.
August Burns Red is a generic scene band, please don't deny that. And yes, the bands that you listed do sound alike, the screams, the distortion, the growls, the double bass, the high pitched guitar squeals, the non-existent bass guitar, the tempo, and other things can be similar amongst all of those bands.
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Album Rating: 4.0
And yes, the bands that you listed do sound alike, the screams, the distortion, the growls, the double bass, the high pitched guitar squeals, the non-existent bass guitar, the tempo, and other things can be similar amongst all of those bands.
You were doing SOOO WELL up until here too.
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Album Rating: 3.5
they scream but their screams don't at all sound the same. they all use distortion, but not the same distortion. They all growl, but not the same...........
finding a pattern? I honestly don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
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Album Rating: 4.0
tis obvious he doesn't.
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I have no idea what I'm talking about because one of my various points is not up to your liking? I don't see how that works : (
Listen, when I say Metal-core, I don't mean August Burns Red, Misery Signals, Converge, and Botch. I am talking about the other 99 percent of the genre that are exactly the same. You know what I'm talking about, if you've ever been to a show for a band like that and had to sit through five or six opening acts who can't seem to grasp the definition of rip-off.
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Album Rating: 4.0
99%? nay. most of the bands that are well-known the genre have quite a bit of difference to their sound.
if you're talking local bands then i don't even know why you're bothering to argue.
I have no idea what I'm talking about because one of my various points is not up to your liking? I don't see how that works
no, you don't know what your talking about because most of your various points are made on completely false assumptions.
yes there are some similar bands in metalcore, but it's no more linear than any other genre.
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Album Rating: 3.5
you don't seem to understand the genre in the least bit. Because these bands share the same basic aspects/sounds does not make them sound the same, it makes them a part of the genre.
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I feel that Metal-core is more linear than most genres because of the acceptance of redundancy, all you need to write is something kids can mosh to, and thats the formula that most of the bands in the genre use to create music. I know that other genres are linear in similar aspects but I'm not comparing Metal-core to anything but itself. The difference in the distortions, growls, screams, etc. is so small that without actively trying to discern these differences, its highly unlikely that you would be able to.
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Album Rating: 3.5
of coarse a metal band would make music you can mosh to! they wouldn't be metal if they made something you could do the tango with! i'm very confused by your logic
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Album Rating: 3.0
Genre arguments are dumb.
Should I start with this or Mirrors?
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I know you can mosh to all kinds of metal but I feel there is a reason people call it Metal-core, because you only need to come through with the core, the basics, the infrastructure, in order to have a critically regarded song with all kinds of fanfare.
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Album Rating: 3.5
no, the "core" is the elements of hardcore with metal.
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Thats another problem I've always had with Core, the Hard-core always seemed to be the dominant form of songwriting whereas the metal was prominent in the bridges of the songs, mostly. When I think of metal I don't think of basic, sped up riffs to go along with a linear drum-line and unnecessarily harsh vocals. In other forms of metal the music sounds more professional so to speak, and less calculated.
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I get the feeling this dispute is more about metal than metalcore. Saying the lyrics aren't understandable and that all bands sound alike is an uninformed person's view of metal. Which is what you (st4ytrue - oh how clever) are coming across as.
Roofi...I haven't heard Mirrors but this album is amazing and you really can't go wrong.
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Album Rating: 3.5
but hardcore isn't really all that dominant in metalcore at all really. You do realize hardcore is a subgenre of punk right?
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