No, they wont be, they changed record deals becuase there last one tired to make them do what the want or sumet. AND ITS NOT POP

[QUOTE=deveaux]yes bands do evolve and change over time. and yes i do know about marketing, as i work for an advertising firm (thank you) however, i was only posing the question if they were being directed, because we al know how pop music works, and we all know that it is pop music.[/QUOTE]

Sum 41 have always been influenced by the heavier aspects of music (maiden, Priest, Metallica) so it was part of their musical growth that they ended up with such a sound. The image they potray may give the impression of a pop band, but although not the greatest music around, they are true to what they want to do. Its still miles better than the 200 bands around them who have sold out and changed their sound to be accepted, rather than changed due to personal desire to.

Saying that all pop music is bad is ludicrous. Listen to Prince or George Michael. They are, or were, all pop artists at some stage of their career. If you want to start insulting either of them, go right ahead. Both of them have released albums that talent positively oozes out of, and guess what? Some of their songs are really short, as are songs by bands such as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Now, I don't know if you like them, but there is no disputing the talent and artistic integrity of these bands. Sum 31 have always been influenced by metal. It's not a gimmick, they simply always have been. Listen to some of their songs, particularly the tapped solo in In To Deep. That is absolutely not a typical pop-punk sound in any way, shape or form. Pop-punk is nowhere near my favourite genre of music. That said, as with any genre of music, it contains good moments, and Sum 41 are responsible for more than their fair share of them.

This guys done for now, king jonny is on the case!

This thread needs tidying up now

let me reitterate, three minutes are ok, not a whole album of them.

[QUOTE=deveaux]alright, if you want to push good three minute songs, go for it, but the new sum 41 doesn't have any. also, who said anything about 20 minute solos? were they ever popular, this guy knows nothing about music i guess, but on the other hand he is probably only 11 or 12 if he is sticking up for sum 41[/QUOTE]
I'm 15 and you know what? I prefer shorter songs to longer songs. Listen to Olivia Tremor Control and tell me its processed pop or some of the other childish crap you were coming up with. Of course popular music isn't bad I would pay you a million dollars to write a better song than The Beatles, Kinks or Beach Boys. You should grow up a little and listen to some more music. Actually what music do you listen to?

i dont like this band but i respect the way they operate!a godo review!

ok ok ok. now ya'll are getting ugly. you are comparing the beatles, led zepplin, pink floyd, the beach boys and other amazing, amzing bands, to this crap that we call "pop punk". those bands are sacred, and in their days were not driven by record labels like they are today to produce records that appeal to teh masses. you know what, nirvana had the best record deal in history, does anyone know why? because they are pretty much one of the only bands that were allowed to write, record and release anything that they wanted to, even if it was themselves farting and burping. get sum 41 to try to release that and see what happens. next thing, i dont hate it because its popular, i hate it because the "artists" have compromised and basterdized their artwork for the sake of popularity and money, and their is nothing worse than that. dont try to pin me as one of those people who hate music because it's popular, i like some popular stuff, as long as the artists true integrity is behind it, like tool and manson and ****. next, i dissed the three minute song thing because thats what most of the album is. there is nothing wrong with short songs. but if thats what the whole album is, that tells me that you can write a riff or two, a catchy chorus, a little solo and voila, an album based on this recipe. i dont know if any of you ever heard of dream theater, but try checking them out and then tell me that these guys aren't pretty much as good as it gets MUSICALLY and they have songs that range from 3 minutes to literally thirty minutes. its all about diversity.

[QUOTE=deveaux]ok ok ok. now ya'll are getting ugly. you are comparing the beatles, led zepplin, pink floyd, the beach boys and other amazing, amzing bands, to this crap that we call "pop punk". those bands are sacred, and in their days were not driven by record labels like they are today to produce records that appeal to teh masses. you know what, nirvana had the best record deal in history, does anyone know why? because they are pretty much one of the only bands that were allowed to write, record and release anything that they wanted to, even if it was themselves farting and burping. get sum 41 to try to release that and see what happens. next thing, i dont hate it because its popular, i hate it because the "artists" have compromised and basterdized their artwork for the sake of popularity and money, and their is nothing worse than that. dont try to pin me as one of those people who hate music because it's popular, i like some popular stuff, as long as the artists true integrity is behind it, like tool and manson and ****. next, i dissed the three minute song thing because thats what most of the album is. there is nothing wrong with short songs. but if thats what the whole album is, that tells me that you can write a riff or two, a catchy chorus, a little solo and voila, an album based on this recipe. i dont know if any of you ever heard of dream theater, but try checking them out and then tell me that these guys aren't pretty much as good as it gets MUSICALLY and they have songs that range from 3 minutes to literally thirty minutes. its all about diversity.[/QUOTE]


Go to bed you silly little baby, no-one cares for the shite that's coming out of you're pathetic little mouth.

good one, that took a lot of thought. is it just me or do all of you pop fans have something in common...

The main point is no one cares about your ramblings, it's all been said before and you're not going to change anything. I found a solution to dealing with music I don't like, I DON'T LISTEN TO IT. Now go Bitch somewhere else about "Pop music" you elitist snob.

see yall are so defensive man, this all started with my simple critique of the album, then all of you got all worked up, you guys asked for the crazy ramblings. to tel you the truth, i actually like most of the songs off of the album anyway. it was definitely ammusing to see all of you hop on this though

Good for you, now stop spamming. :thumb:

[QUOTE=deveaux]alright. first thing. i wouldn't sell out and sign to a label like you probably would, because im into music for the sake of the art. YOU on the other hand are sitting here defending pop music no matter how youl ook at it. sure they've gone "more metallish", but all they did was rip oof other bands and change their pop sound to a new pop sound. there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls. as for making my own "epic" i dont neccesarily care how long the album is, its the song itself, which brings me to the other guys take on "quality over quantity". how can you fit quality into 3 minutes? simply by adding a half deent solo? i think not, the rest of the song is still power chords, scank drum beats and simple bass lines. . you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.[/QUOTE]

Wow, so you're saying Slayer's Reign in Blood isn't quality? 28 minutes long, and known as one of the finest thrash efforts ever.

You lose.

once again, you are bringing an amazing band like slayer into a discussion about pop music. ......dumb.

It's sad that all your comments reflect the fact that you care what the public thinks about this band, and you are clearly veering away from them because they are a radio-friendly band.

There's nothing wrong with pop music when it's done well.

the fact that are radio friendly means nothing to me, some of my fav bands are radio friendly

[QUOTE=Moron]there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls.

you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.[/QUOTE]
You proved right here that your opinion is based on what other people think about the music. Pitiful.

but im not speaking about music in general, this is a forum about sum 41