Album Rating: 5.0

"This is pretty much a Roger Waters solo album, not a PF album."



this seems to be an argument that comes up a lot against this album, and sure seems to relate a hell of a lot more to the artist than it does the material. I think your description of this is backwards. The experiences and feelings on the album are extremely personal to Roger, yes. and although there aren't as many people who will implicitly connect with the themes and feelings on this album as would with say, dark side or WYWH, it still does an amazingly effective job at telling it's story and conveying hard emotions and can be appreciated for that in itself, even by people who don't necessarily directly relate to everything (or anything) he's talking about, i.e. me. this album means something to me even though I don't listen and say to myself "yeah that's how I felt when..." etc.



honestly I don't think the fact that so much of the material and personal emotion comes directly from Roger's life affects the perceived quality of the music as much as many people think it does. I think the fact that so many people see this as a bad album or whatever has more to do with the feuds going on within the band more than it does with the music itself.



just referring to the mass opinion on this. I'm sure there are plenty of people who really don't dig the music and that's cool too.

Album Rating: 3.0

That's an honest opinion, and I respect that. I simply don't care much for the material for the reasons I stated earlier. I still think Waters is an excellent song-writer.

Personally, the music I enjoy is music that : has catchy melodies (without being too sugary), impresses me musically through innovation or just doing something right with a sweet groove, invokes an emotion in me. This does none of those things apart from a few moments.. I guess i just don't appreciate it

before you guys rip apart my "music i enjoy" statement... let it be known i realize it sounds retarded and sometimes you just can't put your finger on why or why you don't like a piece of music

Album Rating: 4.5

you like what you like, no need to justify yourself

Album Rating: 3.0

Nothing wrong with that. It's virtually impossible to describe how music connects the way it does. We know it excites certain emotions, and I guess you can get scientific about it to an extent, but it feels much more than that... It's better left without so much mental gymnastics because that would put more limitation on something that's liberating. Tell the mind to screw off for a bit while you fly.

Album Rating: 4.0

""This is pretty much a Roger Waters solo album, not a PF album. Don't be an idiot."



Why does that matter? It's not like he wasn't playing the guitar. Where is there a rule that says all band members must do exactly what they did in previous albums?



""Too personal" means it's very limited in its experience for an outside source. "



What do you mean by-'outside source'? That people who haven't heard Floyd wouldn't find it enjoyable? If so: I don't care about those people. Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

Album Rating: 4.0

promote evilford to staff after that last comment, seriously

Album Rating: 4.0

"Personally, the music I enjoy is music that : has catchy melodies (without being too sugary), impresses me musically through innovation or just doing something right with a sweet groove, invokes an emotion in me. This does none of those things apart from a few moments.. I guess i just don't appreciate it"



Did you read the lyrics while you listened to this? His voice is so hard to interpret in this album... I heard someone recommend reading the lyrics as you listen and did so myself and really enjoyed this. But yeah it is definitely greater for its lyrics than the music, but the lyrics are outstanding.

Album Rating: 3.0

- "Why does that matter? It's not like he wasn't playing the guitar. Where is there a rule that says all band members must do exactly what they did in previous albums?



What do you mean by-'outside source'? That people who haven't heard Floyd wouldn't find it enjoyable? If so: I don't care about those people. Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire." -





Goddamn, Lambs. Lets take a look at this together:



1) Other Pink Floyd albums had a more universal approach due to the active participation by the other band-members. Waters pretty much took the creative process in his own hands, and the rest of the band weren't

that into it at all. Therefore, you can feel his ego all over this record. It's all about him.



2) What I mean by an outside source is someone who isn't in Waters' mind. Each person has a unique perspective of the world, and Waters' made this so much about him that it feels like your looking solely through

his eyes, instead of a more panoramic vision outside the personal ego... which was something Pink Floyd was good at.

Album Rating: 4.5

It isn't about just him, it is mainly generic anti-war songs.

Paranoid Eyes is about war veterans trying to fit back into a post war society.

Southampton Dock is about war widows.

Fletcher Memorial is a satire castigating war mongering world leaders.

Not Now John is an anti Thatcher song dealing with the Falklands War.

etc etc etc

Album Rating: 3.0

I don't think I'm getting through here....

Album Rating: 4.0

No doubt Pink Floyd as a whole was magnificent, but you use the word Egi as if it is necessarily a pejorative term.



The way I see it, Waters had a very good idea for transforming some material from The Wall into another excellent album. Regardless of if the rest of PF thought this would be a good album or not, they simply didn't want Waters to have his way again after he did most of The Wall.



Who is being more egotistic? This album isn't album isn't about Water's it is about his dad and war in general. What was egotistic is breaking up a band over not allowing one member to produce a good idea alone when they have one. If this album was BAD, I could see your point. But this is actually good lyrics/music, so all people like Gilmoure can really complain about is it not being THEIR OWN good music. THAT is egotistic.

Album Rating: 3.0

When I say "it was all about Waters" I mean how the whole process was how he wanted to do it only. Not about the goddamn lyrical content. Pink Floyd was a "band." Not a solo singer-songwriter. That's what I mean

about his ego being smelt all over the album. Nobody else wanted to do it but him.

Album Rating: 4.5

Yes ofc Waters was far more of a key player on this than other PF albums, Gilmour was underused (altho some of the lead guitar on this is sublime).

As far as the end product goes tho it's pretty great. Beats the shit out of the wall and anything they did after Waters left for sure.

Album Rating: 3.0

Like I said earlier, I think Waters' is an incredible song-writer... one of my favorites. I was discussing specifics here....



So, thats that.

Album Rating: 5.0

"1) Other Pink Floyd albums had a more universal approach due to the active participation by the other band-members. Waters pretty much took the creative process in his own hands, and the rest of the band weren't

that into it at all. Therefore, you can feel his ego all over this record. It's all about him."



This is more of a two-way street than people recognize. The dominant view on the wall, and this album subsequently, seems to be that Roger was an ego-maniacal tyrant who refused to let the band have any say in the direction of the music. HOWEVER there were so many instances (confirmed by all members of the band) where they would get together for practice and Roger would say what he was thinking about doing and then ask the other guys if they had any ideas and they repeatedly brought nothing to the table. Maybe some people would have waited for collective ideas to emerge but Roger had things he wanted to write about and release and I am personally really fucking glad he did.

Pink Floyd threads always have the most intense discussions

Album Rating: 4.2

Yep Gilmour has openly admitted that he was lazy and didn't contribute to this album even when Waters gave him the chance to

yeah i can't see the band being together as long as they did if Waters was like that the whole time... plus Gilmour looks like a lazy guy haha