Give mother Blossom Dearie some love
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Album Rating: 5.0
Star People, imo, is the last great Miles LP. I also think John Zorn is an absolute genius. And I think there's an aspect of dissonance that jazz is founded upon in the major 7th interval. It's just so normalized across jazz that it doesn't really appear dissonant in context. I feel like saying something is discordant for discordance's sake is kind of a cop out critique, cause how ridiculous does someone sound saying "it's just melodic for beauty's sake, it's not justified"? Consonance and dissonance are equally valid in music, like colors in a painter's palette.
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Album Rating: 4.0
I don’t really shy away from it, I just don’t actively seek it out. I’m also not opposed to dissonance the way people think I am, it’s just about the way it’s used
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Album Rating: 5.0
>And I think there's an aspect of dissonance that jazz is founded upon in the major 7th interval
maj7 is the shoegaze interval actually
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Album Rating: 5.0
but that aside i thought most of it came from like b9 #11 b13 extensions and shit
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Discordant for sake of being discordant = / = melodic for the sake of being beautiful
If something is discordant for the sake of being ugly even that’s a better intent and conceptualization than just being discordant to be discordant. And if you showed me something that had so fucking little going for it that you could call it melodic for the sake of being melodic I’d probably think that that’s shit too.
I think you take peoples sentiments as absolutes more often then they are ever intended
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Album Rating: 5.0
I think of the tritone in a dominant 7 as more jazzy than the semitone in a maj7. Maybe. Hi everyone
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There is good, useful dissonance and bad, arbitrary dissonance, that should go without saying
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Album Rating: 5.0
that too yea
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Album Rating: 5.0
esp when they go 2 5 2 5 2 5 for a while you really get to hear that
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Album Rating: 4.0
I’d say non-dissonant melodies generally have to exist within a more limited range in order to register as “pleasant” and it often requires more effort to stay within it for that reason. whereas dissonance can manifest as anything outside of that, making it easier to attain. but I don’t actually think an artist of Miles’ caliber is just winging it like that, there is probably a specific framework or set of frameworks he uses to achieve his sounds whether they’re dissonant or not, but to me it just feels like the same effect could be achieved by just kinda winging it
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Album Rating: 4.0
keyword being “feels”
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Album Rating: 4.5
"there is probably a specific framework or set of frameworks he uses to achieve his sounds whether they’re dissonant or not"
modal jazz...
"but to me it just feels like the same effect could be achieved by just kinda winging it"
...dismantled.
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Album Rating: 5.0
"I think you take peoples sentiments as absolutes more often then they are ever intended"
lol I think you're probably right and it likely puts a strain on my interactions with people.
"There is good, useful dissonance and bad, arbitrary dissonance, that should go without saying"
I agree with this.
@parks & robertsona: I feel like you guys are talking about spicier harmony than what you usually get from foundational jazz stuff like say, Duke Ellington.
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Album Rating: 5.0
for me yea what i said came later but dominant 7 chords were pretty much always there on ur 5 no?
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There is a lot of jazz that is more concerned with theory than it is with feeling / emotion and yeah that’s kinda why a lot of overly dissonant jazz in particular doesn’t land for me. It’s more ~interesting~ and ~technically impressive~ than it is ~enjoyable~. Which is why I prefer seeing that kind of performance live than to listen to it recorded.
Thoughtfully using dissonance for emotional and aesthetic purposes is quite different
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I’m going to listen to this album so I can have fruity conversations with my eyes closed about dissonance and tritones like all of you
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If I’m at home listening to jazz I just want vibes
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Album Rating: 5.0
>I’m going to listen to this album so I can have fruity conversations with my eyes closed about dissonance and tritones like all of you
no need for this album for that, they prob cover it in a 101 class but ive never had one so
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All I can think of when listening to this stuff is I’m not civilized enough for it
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