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toxin.
October 4th 2014


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I've only heard this on shitty laptop speakers, and they clip everything so I didn't notice anything particularly bad. But I'll keep that in mind and not listen to this with my nice headphones

Snake.
October 4th 2014


25598 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

WE ARE THE ONES IN COMPETITION BUT CLAIM THIS AIN'T NO RACE

Storm In A Teacup
October 4th 2014


47087 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

hmm I thought all production done was 100% intended

toxin.
October 4th 2014


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

don't let me goo, whoooa

fallenbird
October 4th 2014


4493 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

TBM Has some fantastic songs (Zero Visibility, People Live Here, A Beautiful Indifference) but other than that it's really average.

sapient
October 4th 2014


2421 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

It's really noticeable on my Bose speakers with the beginning of Survive, regardless though the songs are good enough that it's not an album killer

NervousBreakdown
October 4th 2014


172 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

what's clipping?

toxin.
October 4th 2014


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Bose speakers? ughh



@NervousBreakdown, it's a form of bad audio quality. This is oversimplification, but imagine a normal sine wave, that varies from -1 to 1. So just your basic wave function.



What happens if you cap the value to 0.8 and -0.8 but keep the same curve? Well the peaks of the wave are smushed (or clipped) into a straight line. This means that the audio isn't playing back enough information, meaning that there's some sort of distortion. This is called "clipping." I find it particularly apparent on higher-frequency sounds, though I'm not sure if that's actually always true or just my own ears.



Generally, you clip audio files by playing it back too loud: amplifiers can only go so loud, and after that, there's a loss in information (most notable at the high frequencies). This can happen due to your set up, or due to the way the audio was mixed in the first place. The latter is often attributed to what's known as 'The Loudness War' where basically audio engineers found out that people respond better to louder music and so they push towards making everything loud, causing clipping due to the audio itself rather than the listener's setup. This is actually pretty fair when you consider how fucking shitty most people's setups are (e.g. laptop speakers, cheap earphones, car speakers), but it's particularly obnoxious to anyone whose setup is nice enough to clearly reproduce all the sound stored in the audio file (including the clipping).



In terms of actually hearing clipping in the song, I honestly tend only to hear it on the cymbals, but it's really obnoxious when it's there. But since I listen to my laptop speakers generally, it's not a problem since the audio quality is shitty to begin with (which I'm ok with, as long as it's not 92 kbps)

Rowan5215
Emeritus
October 4th 2014


48434 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

Damn toxin knows his shit lol

Production never ever bothered me on this album though agreed

MuhNamesTyler
October 4th 2014


6711 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

me either but wow learning something on sputnik music dot com

Rowan5215
Emeritus
October 4th 2014


48434 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

Once in a blue moon

toxin.
October 4th 2014


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Haha I think that's pretty basic stuff. I definitely notice clipping, skipping, and REALLY bad quality (e.g. youtube 240p used to limit their bit rate to 96 kbps iirc, where there's absolutely no dynamic range) but otherwise I'm not particularly knowledgeable on this stuff.



My friend talks a lot about soundstage and stuff and like while I can tell the difference between good and bad, I can't really tell the difference between good and better.



I'll listen to Survive on my headphones and see if I can hear clipping though

Rowan5215
Emeritus
October 4th 2014


48434 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

I can tell the difference between good production and bad production and that's literally all

as soon as you went to "What happens if you cap the value to 0.8 and -0.8" I was gone

deathschool
October 4th 2014


29481 Comments


Clipping is what happens when the sound being produced overwhelms the device recording that sound.

toxin.
October 4th 2014


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

lol it works better with actual charts, where you can see the clipping visually, which is what I tried to convey.



But yeah the general idea (afaik) is that clipping occurs when you make your music too loud and then the things with a higher dynamic range (e.g. cymbals) end up having the peaks of their waveforms clipped off.



The 0.8/-0.8 was sort of a demonstration of that but I guess it failed lol

toxin.
October 4th 2014


13043 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

In any case, I agree on Survive. The mixing is pretty shitty, intentional or not (the drums seriously lack any punch), and the cymbals are pretty clearly clipped in the intro.



It's not as noticeable for the rest of the song though

Storm In A Teacup
October 4th 2014


47087 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

toxin, if I ever get rich, you're hired.

deathschool
October 4th 2014


29481 Comments


He works for me, you tiny hurricane!

Ecnalzen
October 4th 2014


12169 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The tiniest of hurricanes!

Froot
October 4th 2014


1910 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Ready to Fall is a daily jam for me



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