Honestly where is the lie in what Wil told Georgia here: "Your band's undeserved success makes me sick. The way you all complain and talk about how fucking hard it's been for you is even worse. Everything you've got has been handed to you on a fucking platter but you still complain and show off in equal parts and it's embarrassing."

don't know what you or wil are really suggesting by that quote. i'm incredibly irked by the whole scope of that accusation and the fact that anyone would actually entertain it but lets start with this: i've followed georgia from long before camp cope ever existed and nothing about her or their palpable national notoriety (up to and surrounding the release of their 2016 debut album) seemed "handed to [them] on a fucking platter"; they just played shows and played shows like any normal band and built on georgia's existing following cuz she's got songwriting chops and a striking voice. and they got fucking noticed for it. they charted and won awards before they even really caused a stir off of their political views (which started to flare up around late 2016 / early 2017 with the combined factors of kelly's "it takes one" campaign, the "girls to the front" thing, and the laneway sexual assault hotline, but even those didnt result in the overzealous media coverage that only started about a year after). georgia even played the fest 15 in florida before all that shit really started. maybe you heard about them years later from some article with a political slant, but your agreement with wil just seems like confirmation bias because it's entirely ignorant of the history of that band (despite being an assessment that's substantially concerned with that very subject).

so much of your opposition to camp cope seems based on preconceptions and bias. it's getting ridiculous man; maybe stop talking about them.

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My opposition to Camp Cope is that I find their music bland and I like The Smith Street Band quite a lot and the groups seem to be at odds and I want more Smith Street so I like Camp Cope even less. Strictly care about the jams.



I was also completely unaware Camp Cope was real political.

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These guys jam hard

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hans wyd

I was also completely unaware Camp Cope was real political.

when jeff formed btmi! in 2004 we should've taken his band name as a warning because jfc

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"it's partly the media coverage of their band that has created this "real political" image."



Agreed, on the one hand. But the band have been clear in the past that the intent of their music is, in large part, though not solely, political: "the politics and the music definitely go hand in hand". Of course, that doesn't mean you can't interpret it otherwise -- all that is contextual -- undoubtedly, though, they've leaned into it and, undoubtedly, that's played a significant role in their rise to fame. And that isn't (inherently) a bad thing, lest you believe there's some kinda manipulation going on (and I'm not saying there is). I'd also argue that most of the songs on the new album have some political message attached -- at least, that's my interpretation. The whole "personal is political" mantra is taken fairly seriously, and 'The Opener' contextualises things fairly clearly (and pretty geniusly, really).

Yeah tbh Lucid I’m surprised you’d be that shamelessly ignorant, that’s an extremely loaded accusation to side with when you have no real knowledge of the band

honestly i agree with lucid. not here to fight with anyone, just voicing my opinion. i think they're toxic

It’s not even an opinion tho, y’all objectively factually don’t know what you’re talking about so it’s just wild to me
I don’t even say that as a defense of Camp Cope but just in general

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Lol @ anyone taking sides either way. We've got some emails from one party and a bunch of accusations so far. Totally enough to go on.

here's an account from someone who knows both Wil and Georgia:

"As much as I understand the importance of not blaming victims of abuse, Georgia has been an antagonist, exaggerator, brat and a malicious internet bully since day one. Before the 2 of them were dating she was a young kid 'calling out' people on the internet over stupid shit. I couldn't believe when Wil said they were dating. I just wanted to say "are you sure you want to do that? She seems like trouble" but I tried to be a good supportive friend instead. On many, many occasions I've heard of people saying things like "That girl is terrifying", "I want nothing to do with her". It's so sad that the internet jumped to conclusions and damned Wil and the entire band before considering the other side of the story. To me, it seems Georgia's behaviour is so obvious from the outside. The girl who cried wolf. According to her, she's a hopeless victim in every situation. 'Music festivals won't book her because she's a woman'. Music festivals actually won't book her because she's nothing but trouble, she'll talk shit on stage about the festival not paying her enough, not putting her on a good enough stage, not having enough women on the lineup. If I were a Booker, I'd avoid her like the plague. PR nightmare waiting to happen. Her band became incredibly popular, incredibly fast. They had more industry support than any band I've ever seen and they make a point of being sloppy, rushing their recordings and bragging about how they hate touring, hate recording and don't try very hard. Why are they on the festival circuit in the first place when other bands are working incredibly hard for their place on these festivals?

Wil is the true victim in this situation. Sure he said some mean shit in an email but has been subsequently trashed publicly and had his name dragged through the mud as if he's a rapist or a murderer. He's been punished enough. Wils post yesterday was great but it would be better if that was the end of it. Put it to bed already so we can get on with our lives."

i'm going based on their lyrics and overall attitude towards 'white cis males', who apparently aren't allowed to review their music. "I WOULD MUCH RATHER A WOMAN OR A QUEER PERSON WRITE THE REVIEW, I’D MUCH RATHER THAT PERSON GET EXPOSURE AND GET PAID FOR THEIR WRITING. THEY DESERVE IT MORE." "CAN CIS WHITE MEN STOP REVIEWING OUR ALBUM. IT’S NOT FOR YOU."

i honestly don't need much more evidence than this that georgie is a garbage human being. exclusion of any kind is still exclusion, and the complete wrong way to go about equality.

"'Music festivals won't book her because she's a woman'."

also shit like this. she literally blames everything on men. I think somewhere she said that women don't get enough representation on the radio because male radio hosts are sexist... lol. imagine actually thinking this.

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thought made up that quote about cis males reviewing her music because it's just over the top stereotypical lol but wow



what a scum

funniest thing about that tweet is that soon after she retweeted a review by a white dude who reviewed her positively and echoed her perspectives

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she seems like exactly the type of person that makes people hate feminists altogether, and it's not because we're afraid they're gonna come and take our power or whatever but because they are an absolute chore to deal with due to their actions that seem to have one mission and only one way to get there: get what you want by playing the victim card

Wils post yesterday was great but it would be better if that was the end of it. Put it to bed already so we can get on with our lives.

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"here's an account from someone who knows both Wil and Georgia"



An account from, who? Is it verified, or are you quoting an anonymous person from the internet?