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"That religion doesn't use sense. They take innocence out of the world. They don't care about people. They don't care about life. They don't care about the lasting impression on others. "



I think you misspelled "people". Anyway, I don't think that it's the right time to inject controversy to the thread.

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People are born without any predisposition to others. They develop it by ways of religion and upbringing. Also I'm not injecting controversy. It was confirmed as a terror attack on young lives. They do nothing but bring horrible atrocities to humanity. They break bonds. No ones life matters. I just wish folks would stop taking up for them. I have in the past. They've done nothing but make me regret that stance. Most folks who would take up for them now would be the same demographics of the girls and boys they took from us tonight. To me, that should really hit home. All of it just makes me more bitter and cynical about religion... after I'm already too damn bitter and cynical as it is. Don't take the young lives though. That's as heartless as it gets.

@Brushed, I don't want confrontation here, as this is a sensitive topic, but consider rephrasing that argument. I'm not a fan of Islam either, but hyperbolic statements such "Muslims hate humanity," are rooted in emotion and not reason. You've all the right to criticise ideologies -- attack Islam's values -- but understand that the way you've positioned your argument isn't based in fact.

EDIT: Just realised you edited your original comment, and I did so accordingly as well. I appreciate that. Hope you're well, mate.

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"They do nothing but bring horrible atrocities to humanity."



Pretty sure there's a very large majority of them that isn't involved in bombings, attacks or war of any sorts.

The religion of peace strikes again.

got em

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"The religion of peace strikes again."



Yeah, this has definitly to do with their religion rather than the fact that USA and UK invaded Irak for no fucking reason, destroyed everything, seized the petroleum, made up a travesty government and left, leaving nothing but a strong anti-western hate that empowered a bunch of power-hungry assholes who made up ISIS out of all the anti-western resentment.



While this is no moral excuse for such attacks, you guys have a very short memory.

"Yeah, this has definitely to do with their religion rather than the fact that USA and UK invaded Irak for no fucking reason, destroyed everything, seized the petroleum, made up a travesty government and left, leaving nothing but a strong anti-western hate" Sure, but the majority of terrorists are home grown. Young men, usually second generation immigrants, who have lived in the victims country all their life. I'm not saying western intervention is not a factor but its obvious where the inspiration comes from when a religion encourages such animosity towards outsiders.

"invaded Irak for no fucking reason". This isn't true. You said it yourself, seized the petroleum. They wanted this under the WMD lie.

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'Yeah, this has definitly to do with their religion rather than the fact that USA and UK invaded Irak for no fucking reason, destroyed everything, seized the petroleum, made up a travesty government and left, leaving nothing but a strong anti-western hate that empowered a bunch of power-hungry assholes who made up ISIS out of all the anti-western resentment.'



If you genuinely believe a complete 'hands off' policy by the west in the region would have resulted in peace and prosperity for its inhabitants and no 'terrorism' in the west you're way off the mark.

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Well, the region was a lot more stable before US "intervention". It would be far from problem free but I believe it would be many times preferable to the disaster it is now. But if I could give my opinion on the topic I see the whole problem as two-fold: First you have the war-for-profit invasion disrupting the East, not only made under pretences but in doing so it vilified the target population as the aggressors, and in turn it bred a lot of Western hate in the affected countries, and the opposite in the west.



Then these wars and others around the area, including conflicts between Palestine and U.S. backed Israel etc., cause mass displacement and refugees, many of whom end up in Western countries with societies that are completely different to those they came from, often incongruous with their beliefs and culture. And you have a lot of (often rightful) Western suspicion. Of course no one in these host nations should change their own cultures to better fit a foreign one, but that doesn't solve the issue. Couple in with that certain prevalent beliefs, attitudes, and practices that are very out of place in Western culture, include Islamic faith which plays a big role in that division and add extremists to that, and you've got the crisis we have today.



Mass immigration is a huge mistake. Nobody wins and no one is better off for it (except for the obvious). And I don't think many people are arguing that social beliefs in the Middle East in general are compatible with those of modern Westerners. So I think it's almost madness to expect that it would go any better than it currently is. That is not a -phobic remark in any way, it is simply fact that the assimilation process between two starkly different cultures never goes smoothly on the whole. Check out the situation in Sweden, for example. There are many individual exceptions of course, and this is not to say that Muslims or people of Middle Eastern descent cannot do just fine in Western countries - but mass immigration is detrimental for BOTH cultures. However, you absolutely cannot divorce government responsibility in the U.S. and a few other nations for causing/exacerbating the problem in the first place that creates refugees and often creates extremists too. Unfortunately it is innocents and average citizens that have to deal with the fallout.

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Woah a nuanced comment that understands the complexity of the situation on sputnikmusic.com

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My point, Doofus, is that people shouldn't act like these attacks come from nowhere when the American army has been dancing in the desert for so long. And while we're at it, I'm quite sure that an interventionist policy does not involve invading countries to steal their oil, make the weapons lobby happy and act like you're fighting against terrorism when you're buying into it.



And then, ten years after, act like Islam is the reason ISIS stood up.

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"Mass immigration is a huge mistake. Nobody wins and no one is better off for it (except for the obvious). And I don't think many people are arguing that social beliefs in the Middle East in general are compatible with those of modern Westerners. So I think it's almost madness to expect that it would go any better than it currently is. That is not a -phobic remark in any way it is simply fact that the assimilation process between two starkly different cultures never goes smoothly on the whole."



this times a million. the idea that letting millions of refugees come into the west and the ridiculously sunshine and rainbows belief that we'll all just live magically together is a fucking joke. anyone who doesn't see an inherent problem with it is blind and trying to please too many people at once. Merkel fucked up by opening up Europe to all these refugees. the whole world should've put more pressure on SAudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf contries to take in their muslim brothers...oh wait the Saudis are hypocrites and don't adhere to their own religion lmaoooo

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You can't pretend to understand the reasons why ISIS exists in one comment when you would struggle to absolutely, fully understand it if you studied it full time for several years.



What is with people thinking they and they alone understand the one simple reason for any of the complex socio/cultural/political/religious problems the world faces in the 21st century?



Here's the thing. It's never that simple and people are scared of not understanding things, so they convince themselves they are the ones who know the real answer and hammer away at arguments on the internet 24.7. All the while sticking to their one point.



It's not that simple... If it was that simple, it would be fixed by people who understand way way way more than we do

"the whole world should've put more pressure on SAudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf contries to take in their muslim brothers...oh wait the Saudis are hypocrites and don't adhere to their own religion lmaoooo"

Yeah, let's be real, the last thing the Middle East needs is an even stronger Saudi influence

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Never thought an Ariana thread would turn into this

RIP to all the innocent people

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'My point, Doofus, is that people shouldn't act like these attacks come from nowhere when the American army has been dancing in the desert for so long. And while we're at it, I'm quite sure that an interventionist policy does not involve invading countries to steal their oil, make the weapons lobby happy and act like you're fighting against terrorism when you're buying into it.'



What about the region itself, what about the Saudis? They did a lot of deals with the US and part of the deal is the Americans effectively fight for them when they get rattled that a rabid dog is getting too dangerous (Saddam). The Americans have a stake in the area for sure, but so do a lot of the Arab nations. The Americans have BOUGHT a lot of oil, and they have paid for it heavily. A lot of the chaos is equally orchestrated by the Saudis (and others, Europe, Russia, etc).



Also I can't help but think even without the amount of migration/refugees that there would still be a load of civil wars and genocides in the region. Look at Africa, look at the former Yugoslavia, little direct intervention in these conflicts by other nations, they still happen. If you have a big ethnic mix within borders these things kick off. When they do they tend to be particularly nasty/devastating in the middle east. Chemical and biological weapons a house speciality. Nice.

The amount of influence Islamic extremism exerts on the region should not be a surprise to anyone. A lack of regional prosperity combined with a historically malleable set of religious principles is always going to lead to thugs using Islam as a vehicle exploit people's insecurities. In the end, it's not the religion's fault per se. It's the charlatans who claim to be pious and implore that violence is the way to eternal salvation. These people are not religious. They're thugs - nothing more, nothing less.

External influences in the Middle East have had an impact but to claim that America is reaping what we've sewn is remarkably short sighted. That doesn't excuse the net negative portions of what we've done in the region, but it also misses the fact that the West and Western values are a convenient scapegoat for thugs looking for a bogeyman.

The fact is that Islam is just a means for manipulation, just like any other religion that's gotten out of hand. What makes it different is that it hasn't yet been fully modernized. For all of Christianity's faults, at least it has largely accomplished that.

Edit: that's all I want to say on the matter. In the end I'm just really sad and frustrated that anyone would do something like this for any reason whatsoever.