A sublimated people.
The more followers the better. Larger families, extending to more nations occupying more regions with less opposition.
Where's the harm in that?

Wow I just watched that video the journalist took in the alleyway of people running out of the venue. Horrifying.

Yup, no one should kid themselves they aren't potentially in the firing line at the moment

Album Rating: 3.0

Gave this another listen for the first time since the day it dropped and I still enjoy it, some fun tunes.

"Yup, no one should kid themselves they aren't potentially in the firing line at the moment"

i live a few miles from where this happened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Quentin-Fallavier_attack

and I feel fine



more likely to be stabbed than anything else in this dumb city


also this:
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18605/breaking-the-taboos-in-the-wake-of-paris-attacks-the-left-must-embrace-its

"That's not specifically an Islamic thing though, that's an Indonesian thing."

Source? Remember that its sufficient for my argument that people are justifying the practice on religious grounds.

One province of 100% equal Indonesia also employs sharia police who drive around in lorries, order women to cover their hair, and instruct them to sit side-saddle on scooters. The patrols also detain unmarried, unattended couples who show "excessive public affection", e.g. sit too close to each other, and occasionally have them caned. Nothing to do with Islam.

It's been pointed out that the sexual propriety and repressiveness of Abrahamic religions is one of their more pernicious aspects. This is obvious with regard to Catholicism, but would it be frivolous to suggest that the mobs of sex-starved religious fanatics one sometimes hears about in the Islamic world derive some of their vigorous wrath from the difficulties of getting laid in areas affected by Islamic prudishness?

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/heavy-hand-religious-police-aceh-2014122071758539966.html
http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/morality-police-target-women-in-indonesian-shariah-stronghold/

"I think the point he was trying to make is that comparing the way Muslim majority nations operate, we can see such a huge difference between different places."

Of course there are differences. I pointed out the false statements he made while he was trying to illustrate the diversity of Muslim nations, and disagreed on his post-modernist drivel on whether religion affects behaviour.

"Once again, not an Islamic thing, there are no small amount of people in America or any other western country that believe women deserve rape in some situations, we call these people assholes and they're everywhere. Granted the numbers are probably higher in Turkey but that is a social issue, not directly because of Islamic beliefs."

On Tuesday, Reuters reported that Turkish fans booed during the minute's silence for the victims of the Paris attacks, held at the start of a football match between Greece and Turkey. Some were also chanting "Allah hu akbar".
According to Zafar Sobhan, Dhaka Tribune editor, police negligence played a big role in the murders of the secular bloggers. The police has also instructed Bangladeshis to not offend religious sensibilities. 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh think that attacks against civilians are sometimes or often justified. Once again, not an Islamic thing.

"here we see where our problems come out, because you can't take the information about Islamic countries from a non-Muslim westerner? Despite what you may think research is possible on these issues without having first hand experience. Granted I get that the view may be different but in a lot of ways it's also more objective."

I wont believe a mere assertion about religious people from anyone if it contradicts what religious people themselves are telling me ad nauseum. Who could possibly give a better definition of religion than those who practice it? If their behavior aligns with their professed beliefs, and the behavior is very difficult to explain by worldly motives, why should I doubt their explanations?

Aslan's example of Buddhists slaughtering Muslims in Myanmar is not a very convincing example of how harmless religion is. It's also a well known fact that half of the governmental executions in the West take place in the pious state of Texas, despite the fact that the Lord ordains not to kill. It's not very difficult to explain how and why this is the case.
The Quran, after informing the reader not to kill, immediately afterwards lists a number of caveats as to when it's halal to kill. Violent jihad is santified by a plausible reading of the Quran. Combined with the tribalism and disdain towards the West that Islam potentially generates/exacerbates, these facts obviously have nothing to do with anything.

"People globally are cherry-picking verses from text. You see it every time the bible is quoted for being anti-gay, yet these same people aren't advocating for the stoning of adulterers or banning shrimp, or multi-coloured clothing for the same reasons. People pick and choose what they want to enforce and ignore what they don't, and use the applicable parts of religious doctrine to back their views."

The more you believe in the divine origin of the scripture, and the less ambiguity and contradictions there's in it, the more you derive your values from it, and vice versa.

Ali A. Rizvi refutes Aslan with eloquence and lucidity on this point: https://richarddawkins.net/2014/10/the-inner-workings-of-the-apologist-mindset/

"There is so much wrong with that statement. First of all, you've got to look at the diversity between different counties with Muslim majority, and see the social and political differences are massive. Then you've got to ask yourself, if such extreme differences are possible between different countires following the same faith, is it not possible that the issue doesn't necessarily extend from Islam, but from the social values and ideals of the country and the people practicing it?"

Hmm you might be reading a bit too much into what I wrote. I never said that Islam is the only relevant factor on whatever differences you're talking about here.

If there are "extreme differences" between Muslim countries with regard to issues that aren't necessarily discussed in the Quran or the hadith, and are subject to significant secular and other pressures, but nevertheless Muslim countries are lamentably homogeneous when it comes to Western freedoms and equality, which are to my understanding explicitly considered depraved in the Quran, is that yet another example of Islam not affecting things? 37% of British Muslims aged 16-24 think that people who convert to another religion should be executed. What secular grievances are behind these opinions?

Also "extreme differences" might be a bit of a stretch. We're not talking about Iceland and Saudi Arabia here.

"Using Aslan's example of Christian countries that abuse human rights similarly to the ways we condemn Islamic countries, if we can see how corrupt Christianity, or any religion can become, then clearly there must be something else going on to lead to social conditions like the ones in question."

There are many factors at play yes, but isn't it still fair to say that Abrahamic religions in particular aren't very conducive to creating a functioning society, and are at the very least always latently dangerous? If a society is already patriarchal and mutilates women, you don't want the musings of bronze age crackpots and camel farmers to be considered the Ineffable Word of God innit.

Western world leaders have their reasons to insist on playing this stupid political theater where Islam has nothing to do with Islam, which I believe will only make matters worse. At any rate I don't see why people should privately believe it.

guys opened up about the shooting. it's really goddamn tough to watch.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/eagles-of-death-metal-discuss-paris-terror-attacks

I recommend watching it but godamn, Kris wasn't kidding.

Does anyone else believe these attacks were the best thing that could've happened to this band?

Does anyone else believe these attacks were the best thing that could've happened to this band?

fucking lol

jesse's gonna need some serious therapy and a lot of love. dude looks absolutely broken.

There's literally a campaign to get them into the top of the charts as a "tribute" to the victims

you are a cunt

literally is unnecessary in your sentence

but I guess that's why you're here huh

yeah that was started by french fans, you dumb cunt

ok then