please make the same points you've been making for years now steerpike we all love that
I only asked a question. I wasn't aware that I was putting a bug up your ass in the process.
this has to be the stupidest question I've ever heard
Then you don't get out much.
In rebuttal, here's a list of singers who do have have training and/or work with vocal coaches.
Hansi Kursch, Maynard James Keenan, Zack Stevens, Axl Rose, Fabio Lione, Freddy Mercury, James LaBrie, every progressive metal band ever, Marco Hietala, Tarja Turunen, Floor Jansen, Myles Kennedy, James Hetfield, M Shadows, Jon Oliva, Bruce Dickinson, Messiah Marcolin, Tobias Sammet, Peter Gabriel, and I believe Ian Astbury.
But again, this is all a moot point because self-taught is nothing spectacular if you're still doing it wrong and suck. Who was it who said, "I taught myself how to play piano. That failed because I didn't know how to play piano."This Message Edited On 10.24.08
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Album Rating: 3.5
I love how you listed Axl Rose (and M. Shadows) in the "had a vocal coach", as if to imply that it did anything for them.This Message Edited On 10.25.08
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My point was that they have vocal coaches. Nothing more. Durr durr durr!
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Album Rating: 3.5
Steerpike's best example: Hansi
Worst: Hetfield
All in all, I believe a great vocalist is a great vocalist, self-taught or not. Honestly, who the hell cares? And M. Shadows was better before his surgery and subsequent work with vocal coach, imo.
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Album Rating: 4.0
Clairvoyant Dissease is the most underrated song known to man. Not really but underrated.
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Album Rating: 3.5
I would give that to Radiant Eclipse. I love the song like a child and I honestly have no explanation as to why. none
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Album Rating: 4.0
in rebuttal, here's a list of singers who do have training and/or work with vocal coaches and from those examples its clear that my examples are just as talented if not more in certain cases
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Album Rating: 2.5
In rebuttal
That isn't a rebuttal.
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and from those examples its clear that my examples are just as talented if not more in certain cases
Which really just reinforces my point that being self-taught is only impressive if you're actually competent.
Christ, are you all really that thick? How many times do I need to spell it out?
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Album Rating: 2.5
I'm just disagreeing with you because you're so uptight 
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Album Rating: 3.5
Spell it out more! S P I E L L
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Album Rating: 4.5
Definitely their best cd. love ittt.
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Good review,boring album.Not too into these guys anyway.
being self-taught is only impressive if you're actually competent.
I agree with Steerpike on this one-being self-taught only counts for something if its actually good...I don't really know how or even why to elaborate.This Message Edited On 11.04.08
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Album Rating: 4.8
Theres nothing boring about this album at all.
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there is way way better metalcore than this, but at least there are some decent riffs on here.
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Album Rating: 4.8
The only metalcore that I've heard that can compare to this is Misery Signals, All That Remain, and Between the Buried and Me, if you consider them metalcore.
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Album Rating: 4.0
I've always enjoyed Matt's clean vocals. Once again, Clairvoyant Disease and IWSYTP2 are nearly impossible to beat.
BTBAM blow and yeah, I consider them metalcore.This Message Edited On 11.04.08
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The only metalcore that I've heard that can compare to this is Misery Signals, All That Remain, and Between the Buried and Me, if you consider them metalcore.
Try Converge. Also, Between the Buried and Me aren't really metalcore, they're progressive metal with some metalcore and deathcore aspects.
This album has some decent instrumentation, but the thing that brings this down are the awful vocals and filler like "Second Heart Beat" and "I Won't See You Tonight Part 2"
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Album Rating: 4.8
Also, Between the Buried and Me aren't really metalcore, they're progressive metal with some metalcore and deathcore aspects.
Yeah I've always considered them progressive metal, but I've seen the metalcore tag placed on them.
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Album Rating: 4.0
BTBAM have sounded metalcore to me ever since I heard about them in 2004 when I found them on a free sampler engrained with my purchase of Undoing Ruin by Darkest Hour.
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