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Are you being serious? You think these guys are the only band mixing dionysian excess with apollonian structure? If you think this ep is informed by Nietzsche you're a complete lunatic.

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It makes sense...especially when you consider fragmented consciousness which this definitely explores...but I'm not sure it was directly intended by the band. lol.



Then again, I don't think these guys do anything by mistake either.

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Why is everyone in this thread insane

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hollier you really have no business judging anyones taste so just stop while you're behind.

just showing his statement about being scene to listen to btbam is pretty much retarded when he listens to stuff like parkway drive and trigger the bloodshed.

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yeah but you like btbam

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which is 1000x better than parkway drive and trigger the bloodshed.

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what was their set?

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"continues to pleasure me sonically"



I will never forget this.

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no Mordecai? aww

After actually listening to this, it is just too fricking bloated, which I did not know was possible for an EP.

I need to check this out.

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what a terrible terrible thread this became

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Back to number 1 on the popular albums



All hail BTBAM

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"between the buried and me...the only band who really tries to balance the apollonian and dionysian aspects of music, in a seamingly informed way....i think im gunna write the greatest review ever for this ep, i just gotta find the time..."





Sounds like it would be an interesting read. Hopefully you can find the time, I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter. I don't generally even look at the lyrics when I listen to music, so I would be interested to see how you feel this dichotomy of views plays in to their lyrics as well as their music.

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I want to thank everyone who was challenging everything I was saying a while back. The discussion was actually quite

helpful, in the fact that, it made me take a closer look at how subjectivity and objectivity play roles in our understanding

of music and its critique. I think this was the argument that we kept scratching at, and yet never really pursued.

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Philosophy has shown us over the years, that we can never know things for absolute certainty. Ultimately, our experience of existence is our own, and completely subjective. The problem with this point of view is, nobody lives in this completely subjective world. We live in a social world, and a world where science has shown us through experiment and observation, that there is an order and pattern to our existence, and we can strongly believe in it.



Music, like almost everything else in reality, can be boiled down to a series of these patterns. These patterns make up what we know about music theory, and are the building blocks of our objective look in music critique. This is just the way we perceive music. People don’t even need to know a thing about music theory to hear these patterns. They are perceived on a subconscious level, as well as a conscious level. A simple example would be how every one can anticipate the end of a phrase or the end of a song. In theory this is called a cadence, but to casual listeners, it seems just as obvious, but they wouldn’t describe it with a technical name.

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Subjectivity plays an equal part in our experience and critique of music. The main way is in how we individually choose what we like. If music is not subjective, then we would all listen to exactly the same things. In critiquing music, subjectivity can come down to tastes in liking a persons voice, a genre of music, or even just liking certain melodies and beats. We are not proving anything with subjective statements, just showing what we like and don’t like.



Now we have arrived at how in rating music, some “opinions”, really critiques, can be right and wrong. If an opinion uses an incorrect objective statement, in this case of this album having a lack of structure, then the opinion has lost a lot of its potential value. We can objectively show the opposite to be true. If someone doesn’t subjectively like something, this also doesn’t mean that it is objectively bad. If you don’t like classical music, and rated Beethoven’s 9th symphony “poor” using misguided objective reasoning, then your objective reasoning will be looked upon as wrong and your overall opinion will be disregarded.

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This ep from BTBAM has an overwhelming amount of objective evidence to support a case that it is good music. Now, there definitely is not a universal rating for any album. Therefore, there isn’t a correct rating for this album. In weighing objective events within the music, along with our subjective tastes, we each can come up with our own rating of the album. However, the stronger the rating, either good or bad, will require more objective reasons why; just as a stronger statement of what we find to be true in anything in our world requires more objective evidence.



There have been a number of people, including Melvin’s review, that have been making unwarranted objective statements about a lack of structure in BTBAM’s music. If you don’t like something fine, but that inherently doesn’t make it poor. Moreover, if you are going to call something poor, please try to make a case using some sort of objective reasoning why. Otherwise you basically have showed that you don’t like this style of music, and went out of your way to creatively put down a band that at least had the courage to try and create music that pushes boundaries of musical structure and understanding.

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Didn't like this much at first but of late I've really begun to dig it.