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doesn't make it any less true, i most likely would not have the same appreciation for at least a dozen bands and a few new styles had they not reunited and kicked the door in. and if that hadn't happened y'all would be calling my taste a shitload more basic so you really should be thanking them for allowing me to actually appreciate more of the shit y'all like
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venin, no disrespect, but you not important enough to anyone here (just like I'm not, or anyone else is) to be followed and flamed for your tastes
when that happens to people here, it's not because of their taste, it's because they are insufferable people
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The day I thank UO for releasing Erase Me is the day I find a length of rope and something sturdy from which to hang it.
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from what i understand, the reason sput began arguing with me in the first place was that i was a lot more disagreeable due to my taste not falling in line with typical sputcore lines, had i just towed the line and agreed with everyone i don't think they would've found anything that insufferable, because i wouldnt have had a reason to argue back. i fire back when i'm fired at, the people being fired at overreact and then it blows up, no?
gonna be real i legit just want to converse abt music and frankly it's much easier to do so when we all agree, because the tribalism this site is mostly known for isnt as toxic as it would be when we're all at eachothers throats because i said something unpopular and then, simply put, respond when responded to.
idk maybe you don't give a shit that it pushed me in, but i just know if it never came out, the narrative would be "oh she has shitty basic taste" even more than now.
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Just đ¤
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it's much easier to do so when we all agree, because the tribalism this site is mostly known for isnt as toxic as it would be when we're all at eachothers throats
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No. I donât click on any of your links.
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from what i understand, the reason sput began arguing with me in the first place was that i was a lot more disagreeable due to my taste not falling in line with typical sputcore lines, had i just towed the line and agreed with everyone i don't think they would've found anything that insufferable, because i wouldnt have had a reason to argue back. i fire back when i'm fired at, the people being fired at overreact and then it blows up, no?
Iâm not saying people wonât razz for your tastes, but you have to acknowledge how you respond as well. That is not me saying youâve said anything to warrant mean comments, but through the last few days, I sometimes donât think you realize the tone in which youâve replied to some of those comments. I am not aware of how youâve responded to stuff prior to 2 days ago, so I canât speak on how it began, just what Iâve noticed the last two days.
gonna be real i legit just want to converse abt music and frankly it's much easier to do so when we all agree, because the tribalism this site is mostly known for isnt as toxic as it would be when we're all at eachothers throats because i said something unpopular and then, simply put, respond when responded to.
I had to re-read this like 8 times to maybe think I get a gist of what youâre saying. Of course itâs easier to talk about when we all agree, but that would be boring and the site would have died years ago if it was one big echo chamber. I donât think the site (nowadays) is nearly as toxic as it once was and can be a great place for discourse given you approach it with the right temperament. That is not a statement towards your temperament at all, I just mean in general.
idk maybe you don't give a shit that it pushed me in, but i just know if it never came out, the narrative would be "oh she has shitty basic taste" even more than now.
At the end of the day, the way you carry yourself defines your presence here more than your music tastes, and thatâs all I will say about that. I donât know what you mean by pushed you in.
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it just feels like the same formula over and over. i say something disagreeable, people react negatively, and then i fire back, and it just keeps going. its kinda boring to me, esp cuz some people seem to have a legit problem with me like i did something actually shitty to them and i don't know what i did. maybe i'm not the best at responding, but its just kinda the same shit every time, i disagree with people and that means im open to what feels like a lot of toxic tribalism as a result.
would it be more boring? sure, but it'd be a hell of a lot more peaceful if i actually agreed with the majority more than i disagreed bc nobody would wanna try and argue if im not saying anything inflammatory or worthy of a counter i guess is how im feeling. as for "pushed me in" i mean had erase me not came out whats the chances of me digging deeper into their past work? minimal, i barely listened before that album. and then it influenced me to dig deeper into other bands. converge, glassjaw, etc. and then those influenced me to dig further into older phxc and sludge-type bands, which now make up a big chunk of what i listen to.
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its the way you say disagreeable things, continue to beat the dead horse, and "fire" back. Why are we firing anywhere?
And if its boring to you why do you keep doing it? you can certainly stfu whenever you want
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well first off i dont see how the way i say something disagreeable on say the erase me thread is much different than the way most sput users disagree on threads where they dislike an album and are in the minority, i saw someone mention that you "needed to be drunk" to enjoy erase me and being that im not someone that drinks i knew that was nonsense so i said it. i "fire back" bc i'm being fired at, its essentially the saying "you get what you give" on both sides.
and like i said i just wanna vibe and talk about music i like, i generally stopped talking in threads of albums i disliked for that reason. and since my taste still conflicts, i still get shit, and i just want to talk about music i find good so when ppl try to ruin my fun, obviously i feel like i have to respond to it. especially like on the still sucks thread when people were accusing me of shit that'd come back to haunt me if it ever gained any traction despite not being true, there's a legit reason i had to react to that proactively.
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good thread
they're only chasing safety>>>
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it just feels like the same formula over and over. i say something disagreeable, people react negatively, and then i fire back, and it just keeps going. its kinda boring to me, esp cuz some people seem to have a legit problem with me like i did something actually shitty to them and i don't know what i did. maybe i'm not the best at responding, but its just kinda the same shit every time, i disagree with people and that means im open to what feels like a lot of toxic tribalism as a result.
I feel like youâre internalizing these interactions more than you should. If itâs boring, why keep engaging? Again, I donât think peopleâs problems with you stem for your tastes, but how you interact with them. Iâve seen plenty of people over the years with similar tastes do just fine in the community. Again. I donât want to blame you solely. Sometimes we forget there is someone else with feelings on the other side of the screen and yes, sometimes people take stuff too far. But there is a âstyleâ to disagreeing without it become a flame fest. Also, I donât get a sense of the tribalism you keep bringing up but I think we would waste time going back and forth on that point.
would it be more boring? sure, but it'd be a hell of a lot more peaceful if i actually agreed with the majority more than i disagreed bc nobody would wanna try and argue if im not saying anything inflammatory or worthy of a counter i guess is how im feeling. as for "pushed me in" i mean had erase me not came out whats the chances of me digging deeper into their past work? minimal, i barely listened before that album. and then it influenced me to dig deeper into other bands. converge, glassjaw, etc. and then those influenced me to dig further into older phxc and sludge-type bands
I think you need to learn to find peace in the fact that this is just a website and you have the power to regulate how the site makes you feel. Iâve made good friends here and I let stuff spill into my personal life, but when I was younger and a more inexperienced forum user, I had to learn that sometimes you need to shut yourself off to certain interactions and just walk about from them. I think you might be holding on to that stuff, which is not good, ESPECIALLY because a) aside from what legit friends youâve made here, nobody else really KNOWS you, so why let our meaningless opinions make you feel some sort of way? And b) people are mean here sometimes because they are âfacelessâ. Everything said is an exaggeration crafted to be as pointed as possible. Which, in the same token, also makes it worthless b/c itâs more than likely untrue.
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I don't think you really listen, so I'm just going to prob ignore you now when you write flame comments lol
Yes, I prob prefer TOCS, Disamb, and LitSoS to this these days
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my initial comment was too long, so, cont.
I donât understand what the pushing you in thing has to do with the argument at hand, Iâm thinking youâre meaning youâd be crucified even further if you had never gotten into a certain set of bands, and again, I think that would come down to more of how you conduct yourself more than your taste.
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why keep engaging, well if i didn't want to vibe and chill and have a community to discuss music with i'd be gone by now, and when said community does everything in their power to ruin it, it's just kinda boring as a result. and maybe its because they weren't basically told they have to defend themselves for years on end otherwise it makes them a coward.
maybe i should be more careful with my interactions, but that still all flies out the window if, lets say, im being accused of shit that could fuck me over years down the line even if it's not true, i dont believe i can just let that go unresponded to because someone's gonna find the shit eventually. and the whole reason people see me the way they do is because my taste is different enough to necessitate flaming from a community like this
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victim complex to the Nth degree
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"it just feels like the same formula over and over."
I'm going to regret engaging with you but here is my single attempt.
Pretty sure you just described why people feel the way they do about you. You literally do the exact same thing over and over again, in a very long winded way. You find different ways to phrase your stances, but they boil down to pretty much the exact same thing... Every. Fucking. Time. But you keep doing it. Why do you keep doing it? Why are you so strongly reactive and why do you insist on repeating yourself ad-nauseum even when it's clear that you aren't getting anywhere?
It's like you NEED people to relate to or understand your stance which is such a dumb fucking way of thinking when we're discussing something as subjective as music tastes. If I read one of your shit takes, I'm not going to be convinced that it's not a shit take, but rather than accepting that we don't all agree you're going to sit here and type up pages worth of comments (which, again, will all basically say the same thing, simply worded differently) trying to explain yourself or questioning why people react the way they do to your stances and your reactions and THAT, just speaking for myself, is when I go, "wow, what an obnoxious fucking person."
Share all the opinions you want but for fucks sake learn when to let it go when it's clear you're not going to land on the same page as other people.
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" I had to learn that sometimes you need to shut yourself off to certain interactions and just walk about from them"
Really good advice
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