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The fact that FFs similarities between Helmet and Pantera are being brought up only strengthen my point of Fear Factory having nothing more to them than their accessibility.



Guitarwork thats even more bland and simplified than Vulgar Display of Power dont belong in Industrial music.

"slightly more mainstream" is an understatement. They paved the way for Green Day.

" They fail to grasp at what made an album like Streetcleaner work"
Why is Streetcleaner or Godflesh the ideal? Again, you are talking about ff as if they were just Godflesh wannabes. You do realise that FF have multiple influences right? One of them is a band called Ministry, and they have a lot more in common than Godflesh (Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste).

"make it even more simplistic and then add poppy choruses"
Kind of like what Bad Religion did????

"Skinny Puppy are an easier band to digest than Suicide and Cabaret Voltaire sure but they still maintain a lot of the sonic experimentation of those bands"
So did Fear Factory.

" Streetcleaner without understanding that the albums simplistic riffs were feeding into the noisy dynamics and oppressive atmosphere of it."
Yes, because FF were not trying to be Godflesh they have their own atmosphere. FF are more about creating a cold mechanical and cyber sound. Godflesh are more interested in being cavernous and grim like Swans' Cop. In many ways ff are closer to the original spirit of industrial music than Godflesh are.

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You have a point with Ministry, but Ministry are almost as overrated as FF are. Fear Factory obtained a mechanical and cyber sound by playing off their influences in the worst way possible and highlighting the least interesting sounds of what came before them. Bad Religion werent at their height of poppiness until later in their career, they still stuck to a mostly Hardcore Punk band aside from a few albums and just because I can excuse a band of a completely different genre especially when Bad Religion arent even among the most mainstream that you can go with Punk, where as I feel that Fear Factory are closer to the peak of "mainstreamifying" Industrial music. FF are really just poppy Groove Metal with synths in the background.



Streetcleaner is closer to true Industrial than Demanufacture is by a longshot. In what way are Throbbing Gristle and Coil mechanical and cyber? If anything Industrial feels more Punk and focused on sonic experimentation and trying to create a provocative sound in which case Streetcleaner is far more of an actual Industrial album.

Album Rating: 2.5

You constantly bringing up my liking of Bad Religion just shows that you dont get whats being argued here. Its not the fact that Fear Factory are mainstreamified its the degree and whether or not its a detriment. A more reasonable comparison would be if I had Green Day in my 5s which I dont.

Album Rating: 2.0

Destroy Erase Improve >

Album Rating: 2.5

Well at least Meshuggah did something with their chuggachug riffs so you gotta give em that.

"but Ministry are almost as overrated as FF are." Let's agree to disagree there

"Bad Religion werent at their height of poppiness until later in their career"
Cool, but I bet you any money that more people on average would find it easier to listen to Bad Religion given the boom of pop punk in the 2000s

"Fear Factory are closer to the peak of "mainstreamifying" Industrial music"
Well I too prefer to talk of this as a metal album and not an industrial one.

"In what way are Throbbing Gristle and Coil mechanical and cyber"
I said closer. If I wanted to be anal about things I would say Electro Industrial and Industrial metal are not real industrial at all. (In the same way that some say Midwest emo and Emo pop are not emo at all)

Album Rating: 2.5

"Cool, but I bet you any money that more people on average would find it easier to listen to Bad Religion given the boom of pop punk in the 2000s"



That doesnt matter because im not making the point that mainstreamifying in general is bad. I honestly hate how some people argue that more mainstream always is a bad thing.



"I said closer. If I wanted to be anal about things I would say Electro Industrial and Industrial metal are not real industrial at all. (In the same way that some say Midwest emo and Emo pop are not emo at all)"



Thats not something id argue about but I fail to see how Demanufacture is in any way closer to original Industrial than Streetcleaner especially when what you bring up (cold and mechanical) isnt an inherent quality of earlier bands and artists. Streetcleaner has more elements that are inherent of earlier bands even with its lack of synths.

"Its not the fact that Fear Factory are mainstreamified its the degree and whether or not its a detriment."
"Fear Factory were the bad mainstreamified version that helped Industrial become as degraded as it did."
That sounds like you were arguing that they were a detriment to me. are Bad Religion not the stepping stone to Green Day and Fall out Boy?

Album Rating: 2.5

Bad Religion = Skinny Puppy

Fall Out Boy = Fear Factory



if were going by that.

"I honestly hate how some people argue that more mainstream always is a bad thing."
Ok that is great. But that was not apparent earlier when your main criticism of Fear Factory was that they were a "pop godflesh rip off".

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I wasnt being 100% serious with that post towards Source.

Ah you were only pretending. I get ya.

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I figured that the post towards Hawks wouldve made that more apparent. Then again stating "Yes I Am" right at the start prob wasnt the best idea.

Album Rating: 2.5

Anyways while im here on this doodoo Pop Industrial page heres some good underrated Pop Industrial that could use some loves from yall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6U3lHeC0s

Not bad, kind of boring tho.

Album Rating: 4.0

That sounded like an opening to a '05 anime with guns and explosions lol

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Album that its from actually came out in 96.



Front cover is pretty anime-ish too. Chemlab have some of my favorite cover art.

Album Rating: 4.5

this is good

Album Rating: 4.0

does this sound like djent



But seriously. I've never listened to Fear Factory before, and I'm kinda scared to do it now.